Speaker 1 (00:00): Coming up on Art Palace, Speaker 2 (00:03): David Butterfield. If you're hearing this, I'm so sorry. Abby is going to be punished and they'll have no ice cream or any candy for a month. Speaker 1 (00:25): Welcome to Art Palace, produced by Cincinnati Art Museum. This is your host, Russell iig. Here at the Art Palace, we meet cool people and then talk to them about art. Today's cool people are some of the kids from summer Camp Adley, Eden, Edie, and Abby. I attempted to record this episode just like I might any other though. I quickly realized I would need to be more flexible. We are going to go over to Gallery 2 0 9. So the first question is going to be easy. Can you guys just say your names for me? Speaker 2 (01:08): Eden Adley. Evie. Speaker 1 (01:11): Okay, good. That was a good first test. Okay, so Oh yeah, I'm already recording. Yeah, but that's the beauty of this is I edit it. So I'll take out all the boring bits kind of, and then we'll be left with mostly interesting things. When I Speaker 2 (01:29): Walked in here, I thought I was like, Ooh, comfy chair, and I said, oh, wait, I go in that one. Speaker 1 (01:34): Yeah, we don't get to sit in the comfy chair. So what I wanted to ask you guys about is first we're looking at all of these paintings over here. We're in Gallery 2 0 9. These are all British portraits, and I wondered if you could take one of these paintings home to put on your wall, which would you choose? Speaker 2 (01:53): I would choose that one. Speaker 1 (01:56): Which one? Describe it. Speaker 2 (01:58): The one that has a black high and it's in a background. That's cool. And it has little gray sky and she has a little flower in her hand. Speaker 1 (02:10): Okay. So we're looking at Master Myrick by John Hopner. This one right here. Okay. I wouldn't pick that one because Speaker 2 (02:17): That one looks weird. He has really short hair and the baby's going like this. Speaker 1 (02:23): The baby's making a weird pose, you think. What about you? Which would you choose? Speaker 2 (02:30): It's hard to say. Speaker 1 (02:33): Just too many good things. Speaker 2 (02:34): I would probably choose the one with the lady. Speaker 1 (02:38): Oh, she's cheating. She's going over our shoulder, not the wall. I said, so she wants Ms. Ann Ford by Thomas instead? Yeah. Well, that really wasn't on the menu technically, so I was really just talking about these over here on this wall. What about you? Speaker 2 (02:55): I would choose the two sisters. Speaker 1 (02:58): Oh, okay. One right over here, which I'll make sure I get the title right here. That is called Mary and Louise Kent by George Romney. So why would you choose that one? Speaker 2 (03:11): It reminds me of me and my sister. Speaker 1 (03:14): So if you had to pick something from this wall, forgetting about Ms. Ann Ford behind us, because even though she's obviously the coolest painting in the room, I was just trying to limit our options. And also because all of these pictures have kids in them, so that's why I was trying to pick that one. So what would you pick? Speaker 2 (03:34): I would probably pick the one over there with the sailboats. That's Speaker 1 (03:37): Also not on this wall. The wall stops at the corners. You still can't, you just don't want any of these paintings? No. Why not? Speaker 2 (03:51): Pick one? Because there's not very interesting to me. Speaker 1 (03:55): That's interesting. I would've assumed. Now tell me why I'm wrong, but I would've assumed that you guys would've liked pictures of people more than a landscape with sailboats. Why do you like those sailboats more than anything over here? Speaker 2 (04:08): Because it sort of reminds me of my uncle who lives in San Diego. He loves to ride boats and stuff, and I don't get to see him very often very far away. Speaker 1 (04:17): Okay. That's a very sweet, sentimental answer. Okay. All right. I guess I can't argue with that. Okay. Now, Eden, you liked this picture and you said something about she has flowers in her hands and things. Now, are you surprised to know that that is actually a boy? Speaker 2 (04:35): If that was a boy, I would rather pick. Speaker 1 (04:38): So wait, just knowing it's a boy immediately, you no longer like the painting just because it's a boy in the painting. Speaker 2 (04:44): Why would it be a boy wearing a dress? Speaker 1 (04:48): Oh, interesting. Why would it be Speaker 2 (04:51): A, it has blush and it has a fancy hat and long-ish hair. Speaker 1 (04:58): Okay, so Edie looks like she wants to say something. Speaker 2 (05:02): The boy may be wearing a dress because a long time ago, boys would used to wear dresses like also style for boys. Speaker 1 (05:10): That is exactly right. Yeah. So when little kids, a long time ago, a dress like that wasn't seen as just for girls. It was seen as both for boys and girls. And so when you would have a new kid, they would wear a white dress like that until they were maybe four or five or even a little bit older sometimes. And it was easier for parents because they would just have one type of clothes that they could share with their other kids. So do you guys have brothers or sisters? Speaker 2 (05:44): It's just me and my mom and two fish and a really, really, really messy room. Getting the Ford on it does not look good at all. Speaker 1 (05:52): Okay. Well, that's a good story. So anyway, yeah, when they have a sibling, you would just get their hand-me-downs and they would use the same thing. So whether it was a boy or a girl, they could use the same outfit. And it's also easier to change diapers in a dress. Speaker 2 (06:08): I wouldn't have an older brother because if I had an older brother, I would want one because if I had older brother, I would say, mom, my brother's not letting me have a turn on his phone. And he said, give your phone to your younger sister because the youngest kids get the more fun than the older kids. Speaker 1 (06:32): So you don't have an older brother, but you're imagining already a fight with your imaginary siblings. Speaker 2 (06:41): A brother, because the brothers always get really mad, do things. Speaker 1 (06:45): This is crazy. Have mom. So at you don't have any siblings either, do you? Speaker 2 (06:50): No, I have none. Speaker 1 (06:51): Okay, I thought so. And have you ever imagined imaginary fights with imaginary siblings? Speaker 2 (06:59): No, not at all. Speaker 1 (07:00): This is just a Eden thing? Probably. Speaker 2 (07:03): I have tons, but sometimes I do have imaginary friends. I don't have any brothers or sisters. So you said imaginary friends, not imaginary brothers. Sometimes me and my cousin Ambrose, who see each other every day, we'll get in fights if I pretend I'm going to put salt on a cereal or something. Speaker 1 (07:27): So they're kind of a sibling in that way for you? They're kind of like a brother or sister. Speaker 2 (07:32): Hey, can I tell them a prank? That's all good. What's that? A good prank is this putting Saran wrap on the toilet and putting glue in an Oreo. Speaker 1 (07:45): Okay. All right. Fascinating Eden. So this week we're here with Fashion Week. So I was kind of curious if, I mean, we talked already about the dress, the boys wearing anything else you guys notice about the kids' clothes in these rooms? Speaker 2 (08:01): They're all white. A lot of them are. Speaker 1 (08:05): Yeah, they're all white. Why do you think that is? Speaker 2 (08:09): Because it's traditional Speaker 1 (08:11): Maybe? Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 (08:13): I want to go to another room. Speaker 1 (08:15): You want to go to another room? Yeah. What other room do you want to go to? Speaker 2 (08:18): I want to go to a room that's has, if we can go to one that's closer or a G to one or one that has Minnet paintings. I really like it. Speaker 1 (08:27): That has what kind of paintings? Speaker 2 (08:30): Cl monnet he has. Oh, Speaker 1 (08:31): Claude Monet. Yeah. Speaker 2 (08:34): He has no black in his paintings. He only has a very dark greenish color. Speaker 1 (08:38): And Speaker 2 (08:40): When his funeral, his friend says, no, take that black off and put something more colorful on because he never used black on anything. Speaker 1 (08:46): Okay. All right. What are you going to say? Speaker 2 (08:48): Isn't it polite a long time ago for women to cover all their skin up? Speaker 1 (08:56): Yeah, I mean, not exactly all of their skin. I mean, you notice they have their arms and stuff, but yeah, the ideas of how much leg you used to show was definitely different. And that goes until pretty recently, really up until the 20th century people, women especially, would keep their legs covered. The idea of showing some ankle was scandalous. Speaker 2 (09:19): I can't believe I'm even wearing pants. Speaker 1 (09:21): You can't believe you're even wearing pants. Why not? Speaker 2 (09:24): Because it's hot. Speaker 1 (09:25): Oh, okay. Speaker 2 (09:25): I have this word poncho. Speaker 1 (09:28): Whatever. It looks nice. You look very chic. Okay, well, do you want to go see a Claude Monet painting? Yes. Yes, yes, we can do that. Have you guys looked at Monet this week? No. Speaker 2 (09:37): No? No, because my babysitter was Emily. It Ededie left. She had to go. Speaker 1 (09:50): That's true. Okay, let me put my headphones back on so I can hear Speaker 3 (09:54): What it's actually being recorded. Speaker 1 (09:57): It makes a big difference. Okay, so we're going to walk over this way. Okay? So we're walking through the museum now so you can hear, I usually don't record these when people are here, so it's going to sound a little like noisier. We're going to go left. You know what? I didn't realize it's not on view, it's on loan. Sorry, that was mean. I didn't realize it was gone. Is it Monet? No, it's not. I was so sorry. I forgot that the Monet is on loan. You know what that means? What? Speaker 2 (10:26): No, Speaker 1 (10:26): It means it's on a vacation. So it's on loan to another museum. So our Monet went on a trip. Speaker 2 (10:34): You've got to be kidding me. Speaker 1 (10:36): No, I'm not kidding you. It's the truth. So why don't we come in here? Is there Frank Stella? We do have Frank Stella. Wait, tell me, how do you know about Frank Stella Speaker 2 (10:49): At school at St. Mary's? We did a artwork there. He does robes and he makes robes and he makes, Speaker 1 (10:59): I think you're thinking of Jim Dine. Speaker 2 (11:01): Oh yeah, Jim Dine. Frank does Frank Stella do? Oh no, he does. I forget what he does. Speaker 1 (11:09): He's got these, well, we can go look at Frank. Does Speaker 2 (11:11): He do popup things with the crazies? He does. It pops out. It's like that kind of thing. I don't know how to pronounce it. Speaker 1 (11:23): Yeah, yeah, no, you're pretty much, I don't know if there's a really good name for it. Wait, wait, come back. Wait, what do you want to go see? Speaker 2 (11:31): That's a girl with a beard. Speaker 1 (11:33): You think there's a girl with a beard? Let's go see. I'm going to go see the girl with a beard. So what did you, Speaker 2 (11:39): I thought this part of it under your ear is the beer, but nevermind. Speaker 1 (11:45): So we're looking at Picasso's head of a woman, and she's onto the next thing. She's gone. So wait, let's have a seat again in here and stay seated so I can actually record you. Okay, we're looking at two paintings. One by Diego Rivera, one by Henry Matisse. I'm sorry, RI Matisse. We're going to be real frae. And which of these ladies outfits do you like better? Speaker 2 (12:13): That one because it actually has a better face. Speaker 1 (12:17): So she's saying the Diego Rivera painting, she has a better face, but I didn't ask you better her face. I asked you about which outfit would you wear or which outfit do you like better? Speaker 2 (12:28): I like her outfits though. Speaker 1 (12:30): You still like the Diego Rivera's outfit better? Why? Speaker 2 (12:33): Because the other two don't look real. Speaker 1 (12:37): The other two don't look real. What makes this one look real? And those not look real. Speaker 2 (12:45): It doesn't have a clothes that goes like, it actually has more, less design and it has a cool green color and it has more pier design on it. Speaker 1 (12:57): Okay. That's not about why it looks real though. Speaker 2 (13:00): It looks real because it actually has shade. It looks like it's actually shading looks, actually looks like this. And I was like, it's really shady. Speaker 1 (13:10): Okay, so it's got that kind of shade, the shadows, and that makes it look more real. Speaker 2 (13:16): Yeah, I would totally be able to do that one, but not that one. Speaker 1 (13:19): You think you could do that one? Speaker 2 (13:21): Yes, but I would do, I Speaker 1 (13:22): Mean, we are in art camp you, we should take you down and Speaker 2 (13:26): I need a picture of it to do. I would do way better than that really? Because I actually actually not add one or two or three pieces of hair. She actually has hair. She's bald, which is a couple hairs. Speaker 1 (13:40): She kind of has Charlie Brown hair. Speaker 2 (13:42): Yes. Yeah. Speaker 1 (13:43): So in your viewpoint, Eden, you think Matisse didn't do a very good job on this painting? Speaker 2 (13:49): Kind of, but I can do better than that. Maybe you could, but I can do this bit. We can do a little bit better. You can do better. I can do better than that, but I can not do better than that. Speaker 1 (13:59): Okay. You think you can do better than the Matisse, but not better than the Rivera? Speaker 2 (14:03): Nope. Speaker 1 (14:05): Yes, sadly. Speaker 4 (14:06): Eden is very modest about what she says. Speaker 2 (14:10): Not Speaker 1 (14:12): Obviously not. Yes. Speaker 4 (14:13): Yeah. Speaker 1 (14:16): Do you think Matisse was trying to do something like that and just like the Rivera and just couldn't do it? Speaker 2 (14:22): Yeah, because it actually looks like it because he just has hands like this. Speaker 1 (14:27): What if I told you that? I'm pretty sure Matisse was able to paint like that and chose to paint like that. Speaker 2 (14:35): I think that's how he would so draw if he was seven or five and that's how he would draw if he was an older person. Speaker 1 (14:48): Well, at the time he made it. So let's see, he was born in 1869 and this was made in 1937. So he was in his late sixties at the time. How Speaker 2 (15:03): Many people are Speaker 1 (15:04): Alive that Speaker 2 (15:05): Made these babies Speaker 1 (15:07): In this room? Nobody. Speaker 2 (15:09): Okay. Speaker 1 (15:10): Nobody's a alive. I'm Speaker 2 (15:11): Sorry for your loss. I'm sorry for your loss. I'm sorry for your loss. Sorry. Speaker 1 (15:15): Okay, so we've mourned all the painters. Sorry for your loss. Oh. Oh, hey Adley. Your mom's here. So let's go down. Okay. And then Speaker 2 (15:24): Can I see the string Stella, please? Speaker 1 (15:27): The string Stella. The Frank Stella. Oh my gosh, you blew up my ear drums. Speaker 2 (15:41): You have to look your name. I want you name Abby. Speaker 1 (15:45): Okay, good. So have you seen this Frank Stella piece before? Speaker 2 (15:48): No, but I really want to see it because me and Abby want to see it. Speaker 1 (15:52): Abby, do you know who Frank Stella is? Speaker 2 (15:55): Kind of. Speaker 1 (15:57): Kind of how Speaker 2 (15:58): I forgot to, Speaker 1 (15:59): She just broke out that name. Frank Stella, and I was a little like, okay, how do you know? I thought you said Speaker 2 (16:04): We're going to see Stella. Frank. Stella, Speaker 1 (16:07): Yeah. We're not just going to go see some girl named Speaker 2 (16:09): Stella. We know we have an Ella Bella. Stella and a Gabriela. Speaker 1 (16:11): What's that? Speaker 2 (16:13): We have an Ella, Bella. Stella and a Gabriela, but no more Gabriela because Gabriela went to a different school. Speaker 1 (16:19): Okay, we're going to walk around the corner here and then we're going to get on the second elevator. Speaker 2 (16:24): Oh my gosh. I can do a cartwheel in here. Yeah, but I can't, my shirt's going to, I'm going to do a, Speaker 1 (16:34): She did a cartwheel in the elevator. Not near any art. It was safe. Yeah, as safe as doing a cartwheel in an elevator is. So this is the Frank Stella. So Speaker 2 (16:46): How does he do this? This is really big. When I did mine, wait, remember ours was blue. We did the painting. Mine was, so I actually did something that I didn't even know that he did see the white one and the red one. Lines I did in our class, we had this big foam thingy and we got weirdly shaped stuff and we glued it on and it popped out and then we painted it. Speaker 1 (17:14): Okay. So you made kind of your own version of a Frank Stella, Speaker 2 (17:18): Just not that big. Speaker 1 (17:20): Not quite this big. This thing is, how big would you say it is? Speaker 2 (17:25): Half of the corner. I think it's, let's see one. Speaker 1 (17:34): Yeah. And real measurements. How big is it? Speaker 2 (17:36): I think it's going to be like, Speaker 1 (17:38): It's an audio format. So your hands don't show me anything. Speaker 2 (17:41): Abby and me from starting from right at the edge of there, Abby and me are stuck on top of each other. Speaker 1 (17:48): Oh, that's probably true. If you guys stood on each other's, if you were on her shoulders, it would be on her head. On her head it would Speaker 2 (17:55): Be you missed. Speaker 1 (17:57): Do you know how tall you are? Speaker 2 (17:59): No one goes on my arms. I go rack. Yeah, you can go on. Speaker 1 (18:02): Do you know how tall you are? Speaker 2 (18:05): Two or 54. Speaker 1 (18:06): Okay. You guys are probably a little bit around the, you're probably about four feet tall and you're probably just a little under four feet tall. So from foot, this thing is probably more than eight feet. So I'd say that's fair. Speaker 2 (18:19): Wait, do you guys have any paintings of Claude? Common Speaker 1 (18:24): Man, that guy is super popular with your crew. We're Speaker 2 (18:28): Same school and we're in same C you guys? Speaker 1 (18:32): We do, but he's on loan. So our Claude Monet painting is out vacationing. Speaker 2 (18:38): Really? Speaker 1 (18:39): Yeah, it at another museum. What's the Speaker 2 (18:41): One that you said it was? It was the other one. The one I said. I thought it was the other one is not. Speaker 1 (18:49): Oh, Jim Dine. Yeah. Jim Dine. Yeah. Well, the Jim Dine piece, we don't have anything up here on view right now. And there's actually nothing downstairs on view. The big Jim dine piece we have. Do you know when you drive up to the museum what you see? Yeah. Speaker 2 (19:02): Wait, the one that has the tire that goes Speaker 1 (19:06): The Speaker 2 (19:06): Tire? Speaker 1 (19:08): No, the swing you mean? Yeah. No, the Pinocchio. Speaker 2 (19:11): Pinocchio. Pinocchio. Speaker 1 (19:13): That's also by Jim dying. Yeah. Is there anything else you want to look at while we're up here and talk about Speaker 2 (19:19): Nightmares? Speaker 1 (19:21): What the horse? Speaker 2 (19:22): Yes. Speaker 1 (19:23): Why is it going to give you nightmares? Creepy. A horse. It doesn't look like a horse to you. Speaker 2 (19:30): Are you sure that's a am I right if that's a horse? I don't know if it has like this. Wait, can I talk again? Speaker 1 (19:37): It does have what? Speaker 2 (19:39): It does not look like a horse. It just looks like a horse's bones. Speaker 1 (19:43): It looks like a horse's bones with Speaker 2 (19:45): More sticks and more dry blood and more mud. Speaker 1 (19:51): So you think it looks like dried blood to you, Speaker 2 (19:53): But darker and darker and lighter and darker. And it has lots of things that it's actually a little gray. Speaker 1 (20:01): So this is by an artist named Deborah Butterfield, and this is kind of her big thing is she makes Butterfield and you're laughing at her name. It says butter. So it's just funny to have a butter name. But wait, which part's funnier but or butter. But so butt is funnier than butter. And then both are funny. Speaker 2 (20:25): Butler. Speaker 1 (20:26): Butler is funny. I agree with that. I'm totally with you. Butler is a funny word. So this is her whole shtick though is Debra Butterfield makes horses out of shtick. What's a shtick? A shtick is like the thing you do over and over again that people know you for. That's your shtick. Speaker 2 (20:47): Who made this again? Deborah? Speaker 1 (20:49): Are you just trying to get me to say her name so you can laugh at it? No, her name is Deborah Butterfield. Okay, I see what's going on here. I didn't know if this was the greatest piece of comedy I knew we had was just saying Deborah Butterfield Butterfield. I don't know. So you guys like this piece? Don't like this piece Speaker 2 (21:18): Name. It just is Speaker 1 (21:21): Three. You like her name. So literally if she had just done anything, you would've been okay with it because her name wouldn't have changed. Only Speaker 2 (21:29): If her name was Butterfield. Debra. Speaker 1 (21:32): So you wish her first name was Butterfield and her last name was Debra? Speaker 2 (21:37): Yes. Speaker 1 (21:37): That would've been better for you. Speaker 2 (21:39): And also it's kind of weird because it is one hand is a shtick, it's a square shtick. Speaker 1 (21:47): A shtick. Yeah. It's just like a big metal rod or something, right? Speaker 2 (21:53): He has big eyeball. Speaker 1 (21:54): He has big eyeballs. Yeah. Why is he doesn't really have eyeballs at all. Speaker 2 (22:00): Butterfield. Speaker 1 (22:01): Her name. Speaker 2 (22:02): Does she have a big butter or something? Speaker 1 (22:06): I don't think that's probably how names work. It's not like you develop a large butt and then somebody's like, well we better give her a name with butt in it. Usually you already have your last name well before your butt is developed. Yeah, Speaker 2 (22:19): They would better feel if your hair hearing this, I'm so sorry. Abby is going to be punished and they'll have no ice cream or any candy for a month. Stop. But real but real. Do you actually have a big butt or is it just regular? Speaker 1 (22:34): Just regular. So tell us, Deborah, write in Cincinnati Art Museum 9 53 Eaton Park Avenue, Cincinnati, Ohio 4 5 2 0 2. Let us know. Thank you for listening to Art Palace. We hope you'll be inspired to come visit the Cincinnati Art Museum and have conversations about the art yourself. General admission to the museum is always free, and we also offer free parking. The special exhibitions on view right now are Make Way for Ducklings the Art of Robert McCloskey. And there are only a few days left to go see Terracotta Army, legacy of the first emperor of China. Join us on August 18th at 1:00 PM for an artist workshop on animal illustrations inspired by Make Way for Ducklings the Art of Robert McCloskey. 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