Speaker 1 (00:00): Coming up on Art Palace Speaker 2 (00:02): Harrison Garfield. Grant McKinley. Taft. Speaker 1 (00:05): Very good. Speaker 2 (00:07): Is that all of them? Speaker 1 (00:08): I don't know. I'm from Kentucky. Welcome to Art Palace, produced by Cincinnati Art Museum. This is your host, Russell iig. Here at the Art Palace, we meet cool people and then talk to them about art. Today's cool person is Tricia Suit, vice president of marketing for downtown Cincinnati Incorporated and host of their podcast Downtown Download. No. So actually when Jill sent me your contact, there was a little bit of a, who's on first for me of, she's from downtown Cincinnati, and I'm like, well, what do you mean? Speaker 2 (01:02): She Speaker 1 (01:03): Just there? So I live downtown. What do you mean? Is she just around Tricia from downtown? I'm downtown Tricia. Exactly. And I literally was I still, and I was still kind of like downtown Cincinnati. I mean, yes, that is a place, it Speaker 2 (01:20): Is a location, and she's a person who could be in that Speaker 1 (01:23): Location. I don't understand how it's a job. So that was the thing. Speaker 2 (01:27): What do you do Speaker 1 (01:29): Exactly? Just Speaker 2 (01:30): Around, Speaker 1 (01:31): So I could have looked it up. You're Speaker 2 (01:32): The vice president of it too. That's Speaker 1 (01:34): The vice president of this thing Speaker 2 (01:35): That Speaker 1 (01:36): I don't know of a place doesn't Speaker 2 (01:37): A weird thing. Speaker 1 (01:39): So yeah. So what actually is downtown Cincinnati? I mean, again, that sounds like a crazy question, but Speaker 2 (01:45): You just Speaker 1 (01:46): Said Incorporated, Speaker 2 (01:47): Right, right. Incorporated. Speaker 1 (01:49): So there's another word in there Speaker 2 (01:51): Is, but it's the shorthand downtown Cincinnati or D C I. It is an improvement district, a special improvement district, which is another one of those sort of inside baseball kind of things. Lots of cities have them, and it's funded through an assessment on property owners. And we provide services sort of above and beyond what the city does. And our mission is really to have the Metropolitan Center regarded as the heart of the region. So we work with property owners. We run the ambassador program to keep things clean, safe, and friendly downtown. We do marketing for lots of events, whether they're ones we produce or whether it's things that are just happening. I mean, luckily there's so much happening downtown that my job is much easier Speaker 1 (02:33): Than Speaker 2 (02:34): One. It used to be, because there's something happening every day, every night there's 19 different things happening. And so we get to promote that. We get to work with the organizations that produce those events, and we also collect a lot of data. So if people want to open a business downtown, if companies are looking to move downtown, we can tell them what properties are available, where the parking is, what our demographics are, how the demographics have changed over the past five, 10 years, 20 years. So we do a lot of that and keep that information too. Speaker 1 (03:08): What's the cheapest parking lot downtown? Do you know that? Speaker 2 (03:11): No, but it's on our website. Speaker 1 (03:13): Okay. Speaker 2 (03:13): It's on our website. Speaker 1 (03:14): So just, I live downtown and I have to pay monthly parking. So I was just kind of curious. I'm Speaker 2 (03:19): Like, we do a monthly parking survey. Speaker 1 (03:21): That's what I was curious. I'm Speaker 2 (03:22): Sorry. Quarterly. It's quarterly survey. It's like the bane of Speaker 1 (03:25): My existence. So always. And I know people who, well, I'm always kind of keeping an eye out. I know that people who work at 21 C and C A C, and I'll see them walking in the morning and I'm like, which garage are they coming from? I bet they know. I bet Speaker 2 (03:39): They know where the cool parking is. Speaker 1 (03:42): Well, I mean, it's also like, of course I don't want to park blocks and blocks from my house. So it's like, I don't know. It was probably not worth, I'm probably not going to save that much, that it would be worth it, but I'm always like, what are they saving? Speaker 2 (03:53): Don't know. $10 a month. What is it? 120 bucks a year. Speaker 1 (03:59): That's true. That's true. Speaker 2 (04:00): That's some math there, Speaker 1 (04:01): Which Speaker 2 (04:03): That's a liquor bill or a grocery thing. I don't know. But yeah, we track that too. So it's fun. But it's also, we keep a store. But that is Speaker 1 (04:16): On your website, you say? Speaker 2 (04:17): It is a quarterly parking survey. We actually have a big parking tab on the website, which you can hit and it'll tell you, it show you where garages are. It will give you, I think some of them even have real time, what spots are available. But there is a quarterly parking survey of garages and monthly rates. Speaker 1 (04:37): Awesome. I had no idea. Speaker 2 (04:38): See, that's what we do Speaker 1 (04:40): Already. Your job is making my life better. Speaker 2 (04:44): Thank you. That's all I want to hear Ever Ss once. Yeah. So Speaker 1 (04:50): Do you guys have that little, is that also you that has the little visitor center? No, Speaker 2 (04:55): No. That's actually Convention Visitors Bureau. That's the other thing too, is that Speaker 1 (04:58): You're not them. Speaker 2 (04:59): We're not the Convention Visitors Bureau, but we work with them because again, if there's a big convention coming into town, we make sure they have maps and guides and what to do downtown. We are not the Chamber, but we operate kind of like a chamber, specifically related to downtown to help those businesses that are moving downtown. We do welcome bags for new employees. Speaker 1 (05:20): Okay. Speaker 2 (05:21): That kind of stuff. Speaker 1 (05:21): Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you don't have a plate. No. Are you guys just tucked in an office Speaker 2 (05:29): Somewhere? We are. Yeah, I know. Speaker 1 (05:31): Hidden Away. Speaker 2 (05:32): We're hidden away. We are actually by, we're around the corner. This is a funny story. We're around the corner from the Aronoff Center right on seventh Street, and I try to get people directions. Well, diagonally across the street is Jeff Ruby's and people are like, I'm like just, you're Speaker 1 (05:52): CVS Speaker 2 (05:53): 21 C. Yeah, we're across from the cvs. We're across the Hustler store. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'll see you guys in a couple hours. That's our landmark, which is always one of those, I give them the Aronoff Center. 21 C C V S. Nope. Everybody knows where the Hustler Store is and then they're like, oh, I could just park on the street right there. Sure you can. Yep. Speaker 1 (06:17): I always want to post something. I don't know, sort of a joke post about that mural on the side of Hustler and basically trying to act, I think it's an artworks mural, but I'm sort of worried people will actually think I'm stupid, but I'm just always, I like to imagine that it's an artworks. Speaker 2 (06:33): And they get that question a lot. Do they? Oh yeah, they're So when they say murals, people always, oh, so Speaker 1 (06:39): You did the Speaker 2 (06:40): Completely out of Proportion ladies Speaker 1 (06:42): On the building, the lady in the heels Speaker 2 (06:43): In Speaker 1 (06:44): Front of some sort of pink joker Speaker 2 (06:46): Smoke. Weird. Smoky. Yeah. And of course they have the mural next to it, the Martha Speaker 1 (06:52): Last. The Pigeon Speaker 2 (06:53): Pigeon, which is beautiful and amazing. And during Blink, that was one of my favorite stops. Speaker 1 (06:59): So I was out of town for Blink. I missed Speaker 2 (07:01): It. And if you've seen any of the video from that, it was Speaker 1 (07:05): Mural in Speaker 2 (07:05): Particular was fantastic. Yeah. Speaker 1 (07:07): They had animations of the Speaker 2 (07:08): Flying and stuff flying. It Speaker 1 (07:10): Sounded really cool. Speaker 2 (07:11): But next to it, I was like, oh, wonder if the ladies are going to do Speaker 1 (07:15): Some sort of a little show dancing. Or Speaker 2 (07:18): Maybe they put on outfits, kind of like color forms. They could put outfits over them. I don't know. But yeah, they have gotten, artworks has gotten that question before. Okay, Speaker 1 (07:28): Well see, I'm glad now I didn't, they would just be annoyed by it, not amused by me. Speaker 2 (07:32): Right. Yeah. You're the only bird. Yeah, exactly. Like, hey, that's clever. Someone wants to punch you. So Speaker 1 (07:38): We are like neighbors. Actually, I live about a block from the Hustler Store. Speaker 2 (07:44): It's such a Speaker 1 (07:45): Landmark, so, so Speaker 2 (07:47): You can come in and you can pick up guides if you need them. Speaker 1 (07:50): Okay. Alright. Speaker 2 (07:51): Maps, we got maps. We have all kinds of stuff we use for welcome Speaker 1 (07:55): Bags, so people actually can come in. Speaker 2 (07:58): We also sell the downtown since gift cards, Speaker 1 (08:01): And Speaker 2 (08:02): We sell those out of our office too. What do those They are, it's a prepaid Visa card that you can use at about 200 locations in downtown over the Rhine. So yeah, we, it's sort of a storefront. We sell those there and people buy a lot of them as corporate gifts. So they'll come in and they can pick them up there. But that's often why we have to give, if the new intern is picking them up from a law firm, just try to give him a landmark and Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1 (08:30): Try every single business. He'd be like, the pizza, Speaker 2 (08:33): Right? We're right. Lucy Blue's right down there. Oh geez. Speaker 1 (08:37): Subway, anything, just waiting. And then finally that resigned. It's across the street from Hustler. Speaker 2 (08:44): That's how I do it. And then there is that little recognition that you hear from people, and I'm like, wow, I assume it's because of the neon sign and Neon. Speaker 1 (08:54): It's Speaker 2 (08:54): Unusual. Speaker 1 (08:56): It certainly makes a big impression. Speaker 2 (08:58): It's distinctive. Speaker 1 (08:59): So you're one of those people, and actually, I had Pam Kravitz on not too long ago, and I think I told her something similar, which is a person I've never actually met, but I feel like we have always co-existed in a lot of same spaces at the same time. So it's like, oh, when I heard your name, I was like, Nope. Have no idea. And then I looked you up and I was like, oh her. Speaker 2 (09:19): Oh, that person. Yeah. Oh, I know. And what I find, because Cincinnati is small, but I think most cities within their different of spheres have that too. They, you're like, oh, people from this thing or that thing. But then when you actually meet them, you're like, oh, we've never actually met in person. I've Speaker 1 (09:41): Never actually met you, but I'm probably for a good 20 years have been seeing you Speaker 2 (09:45): At things. Right. At things or it's like Speaker 1 (09:47): Art stuff mostly. So it's like Speaker 2 (09:49): People pop up and you're like, oh, you're an actual person I'm talking to. Speaker 1 (09:53): Yeah. I also am just to brag, I have a pretty crazy memory of people in their faces and where I've seen them before. So it's almost like one of those things where I usually tone it down because if I tell somebody where I remember them from, they're almost like, are you a stalker? Speaker 2 (10:12): No, I understand that. Speaker 1 (10:13): So the first time I saw you, that's why I'm prefacing with this, I'm about to do this to you. Speaker 2 (10:20): I've done this to people too, so I understand. Speaker 1 (10:22): Was GM Bardos hands? Speaker 2 (10:24): Oh, GM Bardos Hams, which we still, like, my husband and I still talk about that every once in a while, something will come up. Oh, remember, because we, we either worked with people for the first time or met some people for the first time through that, which was incredible. And you talk about sort of the different circles of steady art from that. I mean, it was good times. I Speaker 1 (10:47): Actually, I still think I have the soundtrack album just mixed in with my CDs. Speaker 2 (10:54): I don't even know. I have the soundtrack album somewhere. Speaker 1 (10:56): Yeah, so probably I was a freshman at the Art Academy, and so knew several people in it. And so Speaker 2 (11:05): Joey and Marcus. Right, Speaker 1 (11:07): Exactly. So I went to it and yeah, Speaker 2 (11:10): What is this crazy thing? Speaker 1 (11:12): Yeah. Well, and Sarah. Oh Speaker 2 (11:16): Yeah, Sarah Kolby. Speaker 1 (11:17): Kolby. Thank Speaker 2 (11:18): You. Speaker 1 (11:18): Yeah. Sarah Colby, of course, was Speaker 2 (11:20): The Speaker 1 (11:21): Admissions director at that time Speaker 2 (11:22): Too, Speaker 1 (11:22): So she was in it. And Kim Humphreys, of course. So yeah, all of that. Speaker 2 (11:26): There was video of it at some point that no one ever ever saw that it never saw the light of day. But we always talk about how there should be either a reunion of that or sort of a stage reading. Everybody in black sitting in music stands, just performing it. Speaker 1 (11:43): We've done a bad job of not actually telling anyone what this is, Speaker 2 (11:46): Which Speaker 1 (11:47): Is like, what are you talking about? So this, and I'll try to do my best to remember what it was, and then you Speaker 2 (11:52): Can me, and then I will. Yeah. From the artist standpoint, I can talk about it. Speaker 1 (11:57): Because this was a musical that was sort of put on mostly by artists. Was this, this was Kim Humphreys. Kim Speaker 2 (12:08): Humphreys, yes. Speaker 1 (12:09): Was sort of the organizing artist of it who created this. It Speaker 2 (12:13): Was his brainchild Yes. Project. And he brought in lots of other people who, yeah. Speaker 1 (12:18): And it was a musical about a grocery store. Speaker 2 (12:21): Riot. Speaker 1 (12:21): Riot. Speaker 2 (12:22): Yes. Speaker 1 (12:23): And this was based on a true Speaker 2 (12:24): Story. It was based on a true story. And I want to say a couple years ago, there was a story about mispriced food. It might've been in France, it was somewhere. And I remember that my husband and I both read that and chuckled like, oh, it's like the sequel Speaker 1 (12:40): To Speaker 2 (12:40): GM Bar Sams. So the story, it was based on a little tiny newspaper article, which that tells you how old it was. There were still newspapers and people read them Speaker 1 (12:51): About, Speaker 2 (12:53): There were some mispriced hams, I think it was around this time of year. So people were shopping for Easter and instead of being, I don't know, 1999, they were a dollar 99. And so they were mispriced. And then when the staff went to reclaim them and say, these are mispriced, you can't buy them at that price, there was a riot. People were throwing hams. It was terrible. Kim read the story and he thought, well, this is just fantastic. And he originally wanted to do a photography exhibition. I think he had, it was a city of Cincinnati artist grant, Speaker 1 (13:31): And Speaker 2 (13:32): It was a photography exhibit he wanted to do of a musical, of a production that as though it had happened. So he brought us all together and we all put on these crazy costumes, and we all sort of inhabited these characters. It was a very method, and he took these huge photos and that was that. But what happened was the idea and the characters, the whole story, because it was supposed to be a show and a musical, we started to write songs, and then we sort of convinced Kim, and I'm not sure that it might've been a little bit against his will, that we should actually do it, that we should mount this production. Speaker 1 (14:20): Okay. Speaker 2 (14:20): That I'm Speaker 1 (14:21): Glad you do have the inside scoop. I don't think I realized this was not a part of the artist's wishes originally. Speaker 2 (14:26): Well, I think he was open to it, but I think he didn't necessarily want to say, Hey everybody, let's put on a show and you have to do all this work. Speaker 1 (14:35): His idea was much more, I just want to make some photos of Speaker 2 (14:38): This. This is the concept, and we're going to do this. And then we're like, no, we actually want to do the show, so we're going to do the show. And that's so much better too. So we wrote songs and people got their numbers, and we brought some other folks in to kind of tell the story. We actually, then we had to go back and structure it. Speaker 2 (14:57): We had to write a script. We had rehearsals. It was very hot up in this old warehouse. But yeah, so we did two nights, which people still people who've seen it, people who haven't seen it, but heard about it. And it sort of has this much, the story of the Hammer riot. It took on this legendary status. And we did, we met some great people and or got to work with some people for the first time. And still when I see people who were in that production, there's that sort of head nod. You remember you Speaker 1 (15:33): Were in the war together. Speaker 2 (15:34): Yeah, exactly. How do you know him? Gene Bartis. You kind of look away. Yeah, it was, but some amazing people and everybody, what was great is that there were so many different genres of music in it, because obviously it was a show. So we're like, okay, we're going to have a musical number, but we also had this crazy rock and roll number and this punk rock number. So it was a lot of different Speaker 1 (15:58): Styles, Speaker 2 (15:58): Overs, and some really quality acting, I have to say. Just really, really good Speaker 1 (16:06): Stuff. Speaker 2 (16:07): And the first time you see somebody in their wardrobe and it was trying to keep it together, it was so funny. Very professional. But yeah, that was Jim. Speaker 1 (16:17): Alright. Wow. Well, I'm glad I got finally the inside scoop almost 20 years later. Speaker 2 (16:24): 20 years later, here we are. Yeah. Speaker 1 (16:26): So yeah, when you mentioned the thing about that, that was a time when you could read newspapers still, but I didn't even think about that of how of its time. It was in that way too, because I feel like there's so much more mystery around something like that, that you could read just a little thing and know that, well, that's probably all I'm ever going to know about this thing. So it almost, I don't know. I feel like today it would be so much easier to find out a lot more details about the story and it would be documented Speaker 2 (16:57): Certainly. Well, and if you were reading it online in whatever store it happened to, that would be a link because you could then go to all the other stories about that, that were written about that place or their own website, and then there would be the statement from the owner about, I mean, all of these things. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And Speaker 1 (17:13): If people are fighting over hams in a grocery store today, that is video Speaker 2 (17:18): Immediately we would Speaker 1 (17:19): Have it from five different Speaker 2 (17:21): Perspectives. Instagram hashtag Hammer Riot. Yeah. I mean all of it would be everywhere. Yeah, it's true. Speaker 1 (17:29): Yeah. So I hadn't thought about that being not exactly pre-internet, but sort of pre, I don't know, mobile internet. Certainly. It was very early internet. Speaker 2 (17:41): Well, you'd have to remember it and then go look it up when you got somewhere. It wasn't like you pulled out your phone. And even we were talking about the recording or the video of it. I mean, somebody had a video camera or a couple, and that's how they were videotaping this event. It wasn't like somebody just pulled out their phone and was getting this amazing high quality video of a dance number Speaker 1 (18:05): Because Speaker 2 (18:05): They just could, it had to be staged and all that. Oh Speaker 1 (18:09): Yeah. It's so weird to know. But as I just said this, I was like, why was my art school so experienced filled with so many theater productions? I was in some other art school productions I was in, which is just like, what are you talking about? But yeah, it's like we did several things at the C A C, and those are, I think just before that sort of digital video took over. And so it's like, yeah, the only documentation of them is on some bad cassette Speaker 2 (18:43): Somewhere. Somebody has a VHS Speaker 1 (18:45): In someone's basement. Yeah, that's Speaker 2 (18:47): Crumbling. Speaker 1 (18:48): Who knows? Speaker 2 (18:49): It's Speaker 1 (18:49): Like, yeah. Speaker 2 (18:51): And now you just pull out your phone and you upload it, and there it is forever. And it used to be, like I said, there's videotape of, there's a video somewhere. I don't know if it ever was edited and finished and whatever happened to it, but it exists. But yeah, we can't just Google it and 16 things pop up because you couldn't do that then, Speaker 1 (19:11): Right? Well, somebody needs, whoever has the GM Barta's Hams video needs to upload that on YouTube. Speaker 2 (19:16): And we need just get that, just the pieces of it. Speaker 1 (19:19): The world needs to know. Speaker 2 (19:20): The world needs to see this. It's something do it for the kids. People need to know this happened. And I mean, Speaker 1 (19:28): The 20th anniversary probably is coming up soon. It Speaker 2 (19:31): Probably Speaker 1 (19:32): Was 99 is my guess, Speaker 2 (19:34): Probably. Maybe. Yeah. Well, now I've got a whole other project. See, Speaker 1 (19:38): We can bring it back to downtown. Speaker 2 (19:40): Sure. Speaker 1 (19:41): Maybe Speaker 2 (19:42): It was on Finley Street that we did this performance. Speaker 1 (19:45): See, that's interesting. I kind of vaguely remember where I was, Speaker 2 (19:48): But I Speaker 1 (19:48): Don't. Yeah, that Speaker 2 (19:50): Makes sense. Yeah, it was in the same building, I think as the Salt Way Gallery. Speaker 1 (19:55): I was just about to say, was it probably in the same building as Salt, which Speaker 2 (19:57): We can talk about the fact that 20 years ago that was a, oh, we're going to park and we're going to park in the street. And it was a much rougher time Speaker 1 (20:07): There. Speaker 2 (20:07): Yeah, totally. Speaker 1 (20:08): I mean, 20 years ago downtown, it is a totally different Speaker 2 (20:12): World. It's Speaker 1 (20:15): Saturday. I posted video of the March for Our Lives that was kind of passing by my window, and I posted it online and someone made a slightly snarky comment of Too bad, nobody lives downtown to see it. And I was just like, and this person hasn't lived in the city Speaker 2 (20:31): For Speaker 1 (20:31): 20 years, basically. Speaker 2 (20:32): And you're like, I Speaker 1 (20:33): Was like, it's pretty different now. Speaker 2 (20:37): That's actually how I'm seeing it. Speaker 1 (20:39): I live downtown B, you probably haven't lived here pre 2000 at all. So it's kind of crazy for people, especially if their idea of the city is Speaker 2 (20:52): From 20 or 25 years ago. You're Speaker 1 (20:54): Like, oh, no, it's really different. It happened so fast too. I remember one day somebody was like, oh, you should come to this gallery on Main Street. And I even was Main Street. I am like, what? Where's Speaker 2 (21:08): That Speaker 1 (21:08): You? Speaker 2 (21:10): Is that there now? Speaker 1 (21:12): And this was probably, I don't know, 2008 or something. And then I went downtown. I was like, oh, main Street's cool. There's Speaker 2 (21:21): All this stuff. Speaker 1 (21:22): I had no idea. I hadn't been for a while. It was just like, oh, Speaker 2 (21:25): Well, and it's funny because I've been at D C I, it'll be six years this fall the time, but I worked downtown before that in the sort of 5, 10, 15 year seeing those changes. And it seems fast because you're like, oh, that, oh, they're building a building. Oh, that building is up and now people live in it. I mean, it does go pretty quickly. And for me, one of the biggest examples of that is the banks, because I heard about the banks forever for 30 years. Oh, someday there's Speaker 1 (22:00): Totally, Speaker 2 (22:00): We're going to put a ballpark in a stadium and there'll be places to go before and after someday. And then it was just like, oh, that thing that you talked about, it's here now. There's a gorgeous park and I can eat before I go to a game, or I can eat after a game. And you did it. Okay, I stand corrected. Once the momentum sort of started, then those projects just kept happening. And it's very different. It used to be that you'd go down to Fountain Square and maybe something was happening, but it was pretty, I always like to show the fountain of people when they would visit, and now I'm like, well, if you can see around the massive people who are listening to this salsa concert, that's the fountain. Isn't it? Nice. Speaker 1 (22:48): Yeah. Speaker 2 (22:48): We should come by some afternoon maybe when there isn't a giant lunch event and you can actually see it. Yeah. So it is, it's pretty incredible to see how all that's happened. Speaker 1 (22:58): Yeah, I mean, I remember especially walking around Cincinnati after 5:00 PM 20 years ago was a ghost town too. I mean, I remember walking, going to say an event at the old c a c or something and walking past Fountain Square and just being like, nobody was out. Speaker 2 (23:21): No, everybody's home. And that's one of those things that, yeah, that's been sort of the big change. And we just, what is it? Oh, was that, sorry that that was a few years ago. But the Aronoff Center celebrated their 20th anniversary a couple of years ago. And I mean, that was obviously a big catalyst because you had Nicholson's went in, and then the c a C is on that corner, and suddenly you have activity and you have activity in the evening. And when you have activity in the evening, you have people who want to eat and drink and go out after. And it sort of creates that. So that sort of chunk of walnut, I think spurred a lot of that. You had this sort of, oh, okay. Because people would leave a C A C opening, and they didn't want to just say, go home. They're like, well, we're out now. Let's do something fun. There's no fun here. You have to go home right now. So to be able to go to NADA or Nicholson's, and then you throw in Soto and Boca and all these sort of higher end places that developed around it, it's like, oh, okay, we can have a whole evening out, get a sitter and do the whole evening. Speaker 1 (24:29): Or even just as you're saying this, I'm realizing myself like, oh yeah, that's right. Around this time I would start going to Shanghai Mamas all Speaker 2 (24:35): The Speaker 1 (24:35): Time. Right. Speaker 2 (24:37): They were open, Speaker 1 (24:37): Right. It was week. Oh, they're open late. And we went to these openings and then like, oh, it's right there. Speaker 2 (24:42): Yeah. Well, and we've gotten questions before, and I remember getting this when I first started T C I, somebody was coming in and they basically had a few hours to kill, but it was going to be between, I dunno, three and 8:00 AM or something. I was like, A bus came in. I don't know what, but they, they're like, what's open? And I was like, now we actually have a couple things that are open 24 hours they can go to the casino. Speaker 1 (25:04): Yeah, that's true. Speaker 2 (25:05): And I don't know that all of the necessarily food vendors or whatever are going to be available, but a lot, the Starbucks is open early and late there, and 21 C is open 24 hours. So again, you might not be able to get the amenities there, but it's a place to go. And so to have a few of those sort of 24 hour places is also helpful because people might have strange hours or they might want to not go home, or they might just want to do something at three in the morning. So you can do that now. You weren't required to go home. It's amazing. Speaker 1 (25:43): It's great. Who would've thought, do you know the history of the whole weird skywalk system too? Because isn't that something of a blight of Speaker 2 (25:52): Well, and there are, the story that I've heard pretty much with our skywalk system is that our temperature extremes aren't extreme enough. Minneapolis has a skywalk system, and that makes sense because it gets bitterly, bitterly cold there, but we don't necessarily have that. And it gets hot, but it's not Speaker 1 (26:12): That hot. Yeah, Speaker 2 (26:12): It's not Phoenix in july hundred 15 degrees. Speaker 1 (26:16): Every time we have a new employee come here, and usually one of the first things everyone talks about, because you have nothing better to talk about, is the weather. And I'm always like, okay, here's the deal. Cincinnatians are going to tell you it is the worst weather here. But what they don't know is they've only lived here and they don't realize that they live right smack in the middle of the country. So we have neither really bad winters or really bad summers, and Speaker 2 (26:41): We don't have terrible, weird natural disaster disasters Speaker 1 (26:46): There. Speaker 2 (26:46): Hurricanes, there might be a tornado once in a while, Speaker 1 (26:48): But it's so hilly if you're around the Speaker 2 (26:50): City. Exactly. Speaker 1 (26:51): You have to be out on, Speaker 2 (26:51): There's non hurricanes and there's not volcanoes or earthquakes Speaker 1 (26:56): Get Speaker 2 (26:56): That, but yeah. Yeah, it's actually, Speaker 1 (27:00): So it's like, Speaker 2 (27:02): Okay, the humidity is terrible. I'm going to just say that you live in a valley and once it settles in, it's going to be here for a while again, Speaker 1 (27:08): But it's not Louisiana Speaker 2 (27:09): Humidity. No, it is not. No, it's not. Speaker 1 (27:12): So there are always places that are worse in all of these things everywhere in the country. Speaker 2 (27:17): So that was, I think one of the things, and also from a downtown perspective, like a sort of downtown rebuilding perspective. Skywalks are terrible because you want people on the streets. You want people to see other people on the streets, and you want to create that kind of pedestrian traffic. And that's where your businesses are. I mean, there are some businesses on the skywalk or on the skywalk levels, Speaker 1 (27:37): But Speaker 2 (27:39): They're in buildings, which means that if you're a restaurant, people can come down the elevator and eat lunch there. Then you want people on your street going to your street level businesses. So Skywalks also do not help at all with that. And a lot of them have been taken down. There are the ones that are up are connecting. There's one that connects a couple of the fifth, third buildings. And that makes sense Speaker 1 (28:01): Because Speaker 2 (28:04): If you work in a building and you need to get over there quickly, Speaker 1 (28:07): Go outside, Speaker 2 (28:07): You don't necessarily want to carry all your stuff. You could have files. So most of them that are still intact and in use I think are connecting businesses, but most of them have been, Speaker 1 (28:21): Yeah, I feel like I remember using a few of them still in 99 and stuff, Speaker 2 (28:26): And between Caru Tower and Fountain Place, that one is still Speaker 1 (28:30): There. Speaker 2 (28:32): But yeah, their heyday has come and gone. Speaker 1 (28:38): Well, downtown's definitely a much more exciting, I mean, I never would've thought, again, 20 years ago, I would've wanted to live downtown. And now I have lots of people who are like, oh, I wish I lived downtown. That's seems so fun. Speaker 2 (28:50): You could do this and that. And they do. We have really, one of the things with A D C I, we work really closely with the Downtown Residence Council and go to their meetings, and they're an active group. I mean, they meet regularly, they do socials regularly. They have speakers who come and we need to get them to come and talk to the D R C. Okay, get 'em there. We'll get 'em there. But it's great for us to have a partner like that because people live downtown. They care about it. And so if something is going well, they let us know. And if something's not going well, they'll tell us. If there's a particular corner where there's a graffiti issue, they're going to know that before we do. And they let us know and we can fix it hopefully before everybody else notices it. Speaker 1 (29:33): Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Speaker 2 (29:34): One of the questions we get a lot people are like, oh, well, the visitor center, no Fountain Square. No, but we really do promote those events. I mean, that's kind of what we do a weekly email and we do an update our event page and just let people know, because if there's one thing happening downtown, there's also probably 14 other things happening. And again, I think once people get downtown, they do the sort of hop around like, oh, we'll go do that and then we'll do that. And since we're here, we can. And so we try to make that a little bit easier for people too. No, you can find out all these things in one place. Speaker 1 (30:12): Well, I thought we could go look at a brand new piece. Well, that's not true. A brand newish piece to the museum in that it's newly hung. We've had it for quite a while, actually. Since the late fifties, I think, or Speaker 2 (30:29): Sixties. Oh yeah, yeah. I want to see that. Yes, I know what you're talking about. Speaker 1 (30:32): Yes. Alright, so spoiler, Speaker 2 (30:34): I know what you're talking Speaker 1 (30:34): About. I know. So we'll go look at something that sort of depicts downtown. Speaker 2 (30:40): Fantastic. Speaker 1 (30:49): So we are in what? Oh my gosh. Now this is my other fun game of what gallery is this? This is the Schmid lap Wing, which is what we always talk about it. So I never call it by a number. I believe it is Gallery 1 51. Now, Speaker 2 (31:03): We Speaker 1 (31:04): Renumbered galleries a while back. This used to be one of the 1 0 1, and then it got renumbered, so I think it is now 1 51. But this is the big main hallway that connects the main lobby to the Great Hall. So it's kind of hard to miss. You can't Speaker 2 (31:19): Miss Speaker 1 (31:19): It when you come in the front door, Speaker 2 (31:21): You can see it almost from the front door. Speaker 1 (31:22): Pass the lobby. You pass the desk and this is the first space you're going to come in. It's been newly renovated. So we have these yellow seats that you can hang out here. Speaker 2 (31:33): Overlook the courtyard. Speaker 1 (31:35): Yeah. We have new windows in here, which is also really awesome. Windows that, by the way, just look like they've always been here, don't they? Speaker 2 (31:42): Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1 (31:43): When you're outside especially, it just feels like, oh, that's how it was meant to be. Speaker 2 (31:47): That's how it always looked, right? Speaker 1 (31:49): Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I was pretty amazed at how well these windows were Speaker 2 (31:55): Built Speaker 1 (31:56): And how just seamlessly they fit into the space. But we have this newly installed mural by Saul Steinberg, and this was from the Terrace Plaza Hotel downtown. And we have several artworks from the Terrace Plaza Hotel, and two of those have been on view for a very long time. And that is our big giant Miro mural. And also, this is a real tongue twister, isn't it? We, Speaker 2 (32:25): It's hard to say. Speaker 1 (32:26): We have a Calder mobile Speaker 2 (32:28): And then Speaker 1 (32:29): Miro Mobile Speaker 2 (32:32): And a Steinberg Speaker 1 (32:34): Fresco. Speaker 2 (32:34): Yeah. No, no, it's not Fresco. It's Speaker 1 (32:36): Fresco. Speaker 2 (32:37): Sorry. Speaker 1 (32:37): Frescoes are in wet plaster. Speaker 2 (32:40): That's right. Speaker 1 (32:40): So in case you're curious, this going to be another art lesson for you. Speaker 2 (32:44): I know. I'm here to learn. Speaker 1 (32:46): That's like the Last Supper is a fresco, so it's painted into wet plastered directly on the wall. But interesting story that you bring that up because Saul Steinberg wanted to paint this originally straight on the wall of the hotel, and it's good for us that Speaker 2 (33:03): He did Speaker 1 (33:03): Not, because it's on Canvas. We were able to easily take that off the Speaker 2 (33:09): Wall. You can move it and Yes, do other things with it. Oh yeah. Speaker 1 (33:12): That Speaker 2 (33:12): Would've changed the story a lot. Speaker 1 (33:15): Yeah, it would've probably not been able to be saved. And also, I think it was probably a practical thing because you can see it's built in, Speaker 2 (33:24): There are panels, Speaker 1 (33:25): Right? It's done in sections. So it's huge. This thing is gigantic. I mean, it is easily now I think the largest artwork in the museum and it's huge. And we're actually even missing part of it, Speaker 2 (33:37): Really. Speaker 1 (33:37): So see this little gap here? There's a little bar that kind of shows where it stops. There used to be a doorway, and we're missing that piece, and nobody actually knows where it is Speaker 2 (33:54): Really. Speaker 1 (33:55): So you can see in the Speaker 2 (33:56): Label. So it's a mystery Speaker 1 (33:57): Where you see a gap in the mural. A 14 foot panel is missing. Its fate is unknown, but its appearance was recorded in the photograph reproduced here, Speaker 2 (34:06): So well, maybe someone, we can use this as a way to try to find Speaker 1 (34:11): It. That's true. Although, here's the thing, Speaker 2 (34:14): We're kind of okay without not having, well, I don't know where you put it. Speaker 1 (34:17): Look, Speaker 3 (34:18): Exactly. This thing goes exactly Speaker 1 (34:20): From wall to Speaker 2 (34:21): Wall, right? It's the size of the gap. Yeah. If you added another 14 feet Speaker 1 (34:24): Here, I mean, I'm just looking at the gap here between where it ends. I mean, that's N in maybe, Speaker 2 (34:30): So Speaker 1 (34:31): We have maybe two inches on either. You can't Speaker 2 (34:33): Really put another 14 Speaker 1 (34:35): Feet, feet Speaker 2 (34:36): No. Speaker 1 (34:36): Right. So this is literally without it, we are able to, it Speaker 2 (34:42): Fits perfectly. It's like it was made for it Speaker 1 (34:44): With it. We would have no other space in the museum to actually show this, the whole thing. Yeah. But that's probably one of the big reasons this hasn't been shown for so many years is just because it is so Speaker 2 (34:57): Big, where would you put it? Speaker 1 (34:59): Right. Speaker 2 (34:59): He didn't have it here. Speaker 1 (35:01): Yeah, but very, we were talking, it's a very fanciful view of Cincinnati. It is not a terribly accurate, Speaker 2 (35:10): It doesn't appear to be in a lot of proportion. Geographically. There's the fountain. If you're sort of centering things on the fountain, you're like, okay. And then Crew Tower is not nearby, is nearby, but then you've got the Robing, which I love. You've got the guy on a bike, and then just people sort of walking and what looks like a horse, which I love. Not Speaker 1 (35:37): Too many of those crossing the Speaker 2 (35:38): Reveling anymore. No. And a dog just by himself wandering around. I didn't Speaker 1 (35:42): Notice that. Poor little guy. Speaker 2 (35:44): He's a buddy. He needs a friend. Speaker 1 (35:46): He needs somebody to walk there. Speaker 2 (35:47): He's go over there to meet that dog. See, there's another dog over Speaker 1 (35:49): There. There's Speaker 2 (35:49): The other dog, and then it's a whole network. Speaker 1 (35:51): Oh, I see the other dog Speaker 2 (35:53): Over, whatever that is, but it's not, that doesn't appear to be in any sort of real relation to where Crew Tower is. The other thing too, though, these are our presidents. Speaker 1 (36:05): Yeah. So I was noticing this the other day just because, so I live near Piot Park, and so I'm kind of wondering if this guy in the tall hat is supposed to be Garfield. Speaker 2 (36:18): Well, I think that's Harrison and that's Garfield. Speaker 1 (36:20): Oh, the one leaning you think is Garfield. Speaker 2 (36:22): Yeah, because standing by the library, he's standing and then Harrison is on his horse. Although his horse is not up like that. Speaker 1 (36:31): Yeah, I was thinking that's why I think the guy in the top hat might be Garfield, Speaker 2 (36:36): But Speaker 1 (36:37): I could be wrong. And I thought, yeah, no, Speaker 2 (36:39): And I'm trying to figure out who the of Speaker 1 (36:43): The others are. Speaker 2 (36:44): I mean, I guess he could be Garfield and he could be Grant. Speaker 4 (36:47): Yeah. I don't Speaker 1 (36:47): Know. And Speaker 2 (36:48): Then are these, Speaker 1 (36:49): Neither of them are book like that. I mean, in their actual sculpture, they're Speaker 2 (36:53): Not real. Speaker 1 (36:55): Yeah. So William Henry Harrison's sculpture is not rearing up that Garfield is. Speaker 2 (37:01): They suggest the Ohio presidents. Speaker 1 (37:05): It looks like he settled on all of them have old timey facial hair. If you just, Speaker 2 (37:09): And it speaks to Ohio and Cincinnati in particular, having so many presidents, the mother of presidents. But Speaker 1 (37:19): Do you know the others besides Harrison and Garfield? Speaker 2 (37:22): Harrison? Garfield Grant. McKinley. Taft. Speaker 1 (37:25): Very good. Speaker 2 (37:26): Is that all of them? Speaker 1 (37:27): I don't know. I'm from Kentucky. Speaker 2 (37:29): I think Speaker 1 (37:30): I didn't have to learn this in a fourth grade, Speaker 2 (37:32): Actually. One, we did these itineraries called Art Venture on our website, and it takes you through where the some representation of them and how to see the statues and then go get a cup of coffee and talk about President. Speaker 1 (37:49): Sure. That's what I Speaker 2 (37:51): Go to a bar and talk about President Grant. Speaker 1 (37:52): I'll be honest. That sounds great to me. I love talking about President. Exactly. The older they are, I feel like I'm always actually, because I walk by the Garfield and Harrison statue so much, I'm always ready to talk about, Speaker 4 (38:09): Did you know that they both served the shortest Speaker 1 (38:12): Terms of any Speaker 2 (38:13): President? President McKinley was from Ohio as well. Yeah. Speaker 1 (38:17): Speaking Speaker 2 (38:18): Of Tafts, see, I think this is probably a representation of the Taft. It's got the window, Speaker 1 (38:24): The theater or Speaker 2 (38:25): The museum. The museum. It's got the Speaker 1 (38:27): Window, which Speaker 2 (38:29): I forget what it's called now, but that's what it looks like. But of Speaker 1 (38:35): Course, it doesn't have a crazy dome. Speaker 2 (38:36): It does not have a dome. No, no. I did not put the dome up there, but it has that look, so I like that there's the suggestion of these buildings without it really. Speaker 1 (38:46): Yeah. It is meant to be sort of fanciful and almost maybe somebody's memory of it. I kind of wonder what, I don't know exactly what Saul Steinberg, his materials that he consulted was, but it is almost like he looked at them once and then just went off, Speaker 2 (39:03): Painted it from memory Speaker 1 (39:05): Or it's like he got the big structure, the big shape down, and then kind of, I'll fill in the details, like Speaker 2 (39:10): The liar and the horns. They're the horn player on the fountain, which are not there. Speaker 1 (39:15): They're not there. Everybody has to do with water on the actual fountain. Right? Speaker 2 (39:19): Exactly. It's the uses of water. No, no one's wearing a metal. Speaker 1 (39:25): I was just noticing this sash and metal. Yeah, it's, I mean, one of the figures seems floating upside down. It's Speaker 2 (39:33): Like a military figure. Speaker 1 (39:34): I also, I'm kind of no shade towards the Tyler Davidson founder or anything, but how awesome would it be if the genius of water had that hairdo? I Speaker 2 (39:44): Know. I know. Speaker 1 (39:46): I would love it. Speaker 2 (39:47): Is it hair? Is that a halo? Speaker 1 (39:49): I think that's her hair. I think he has designed her hair Speaker 2 (39:52): Like that, and her dress is also, it's much fancier than what she's wearing. Speaker 1 (39:58): That's true. Yeah. She's pretty, Speaker 2 (40:00): It's just sort of almost like the Speaker 1 (40:02): Classic Speaker 2 (40:03): Sort Speaker 1 (40:03): Of toga thing sort of thing. And Speaker 2 (40:05): That's got a collar and jewelry and Speaker 1 (40:09): Yeah, it is very like do count as Grant. It's almost Edwardian. Yeah, it's Speaker 2 (40:16): Edwardian reinterpretation of her. Speaker 1 (40:21): And Speaker 2 (40:21): Then this was in the tea room, is that correct? Is that what the room was called that it was in I Speaker 1 (40:25): Believe so, but let's Speaker 2 (40:26): A Mad Hatter, I think. Speaker 1 (40:28): Yeah, that's Look for Mad Hatter. That's true. It's a good, Hey, Speaker 2 (40:30): Kids look for the Mad Hatter. And we mentioned to the inclines. Speaker 1 (40:34): Oh yeah. So the inclines here. I love the design of these. Just so insane. Speaker 2 (40:41): Yeah, they're sort of Jetson Z And the cables don't really connect to anything. Speaker 1 (40:46): No, no. They're just, and it's like the little cars are in their sort of own little track or something, so they stay level, but then they Speaker 2 (40:56): Are on these, they're on wheels. Speaker 1 (40:57): Insane giant wheels that are elevate. I mean, it's just total Dr. Seus and Speaker 2 (41:01): What's that angle? I mean that's even know it's quite steep, which is probably realistic now that I think about it. Speaker 1 (41:08): That's probably Speaker 2 (41:08): What the Hill probably is, but yeah, it looks a little Speaker 1 (41:12): Steep. It might be actually about that. It's true. It could be. Speaker 2 (41:15): It's nuts. Speaker 1 (41:16): The crew tower is interesting. I mean, again, we're just assuming it's Speaker 2 (41:19): Kind. It has that cutout and it's got the flag at the top and a guy waving or is that a bird landing on his hand? Oh, Speaker 1 (41:28): I Speaker 5 (41:28): Think you are Speaker 2 (41:29): Right. I think it is a little bird, a full bird on his hand. Oh, that's Speaker 1 (41:32): Cute. He's like snow white. Speaker 2 (41:35): He's getting dressed in the morning. Speaker 1 (41:37): He just puts his finger out and the little bird lines on it. Little, yeah. Speaker 2 (41:41): But yeah, there's what looks like a jack of the game. Jacks Speaker 1 (41:46): On Speaker 2 (41:47): It. I mean, there's just some weird, Speaker 1 (41:49): Yeah, I mean, I guess it's almost like that is his interpretation of modernism, Speaker 2 (41:53): Symbolism. Speaker 1 (41:55): That's his shortcut for like, okay, this is a modern building, so I'm going to put these moderny looking things Speaker 2 (42:00): On it. It's the space age Speaker 1 (42:02): As opposed to these more 19th century buildings Speaker 2 (42:05): That are Speaker 1 (42:05): Also filling it. He's got plenty of those, and it is maybe a little more opulent than most of Cincinnati. Speaker 2 (42:13): Yeah. Yes, exactly. Speaker 1 (42:15): I mean, it is very ornate. Parts of it look a little more Parisian maybe to me than, well, Speaker 2 (42:22): And this is cool. Almost. It's a street scape. There's buildings, different kinds of, he sort of interprets that. Here's some buildings that are all different kinds, different eras, and the great three D stop. Speaker 1 (42:37): There's Speaker 2 (42:38): Like a stoplight. I don't know what Speaker 1 (42:40): That is. I don't know. Yeah. There's all these little areas that are just sort of little geometric shapes that are really cool to me because they have these sort of faux shadows and compared to especially everything else that is just so line and flat, it does make them pop out even more, but they are just sort of this interesting, weird anomaly almost that just pop out. Speaker 2 (43:02): You want to touch them, but you can't, but you realize you cannot. That has to be three D. Right? Speaker 1 (43:05): There's a sign right there telling there. Speaker 2 (43:07): It's right in front of where I wanted to go. Just test it. Speaker 1 (43:09): Look. Speaker 2 (43:10): But yeah, I was like, oh, okay. That's a street. That's street level buildings. There's a lady and a giant cat. Speaker 1 (43:17): Very big cat. Speaker 2 (43:18): It's a huge cat, Speaker 1 (43:19): And she's drinking something, which I can't quite tell exactly what it is. If's some sort of bottle of, Speaker 2 (43:27): It's a lur of some Speaker 1 (43:28): Sort. I'm going to guess. It Speaker 2 (43:30): Feels Speaker 1 (43:30): Important Speaker 2 (43:32): Based on the shape of the glass. I'm Speaker 1 (43:33): Going to go with Speaker 2 (43:35): Sherry Speaker 1 (43:36): Of some sort. She's a very decorated lady. She almost looks like, it looks like she has one of those crazy veils Speaker 2 (43:42): Over her face Speaker 1 (43:43): Too. I just noticed Speaker 2 (43:45): With the feathered cap. And it's a very big feather too. Speaker 1 (43:49): Yes. That is a big feather. It is Speaker 2 (43:51): The Speaker 1 (43:51): Size of her torso. Speaker 2 (43:53): It's fun to sort of figure out though, what building might be what, and then, but just the creation of a city, because I mean, there's an actual sort of stop sign or stoplight and the trains, and it sort of reminds me in a weird way of the history of transportation murals at the museum center. Speaker 1 (44:18): Oh, okay. Speaker 2 (44:19): You have people settlers walking, and then there's horses, and then there's, because you have the sort of history of how people got to Cincinnati. You've got trains and you've obviously got boats and you've got the inclines. I don't see an airplane anywhere, but Speaker 1 (44:38): Oh, yeah, yeah. Speaker 2 (44:41): Or any other kind of flying machine. Speaker 1 (44:43): There's so much movement already too, just from the style. It's all these lines that kind of zigzag across everything. It's super active Speaker 2 (44:52): And it sort of moves you through it as you're looking at Speaker 1 (44:54): It. Yeah. So it feels, it feels like a busy city. It feels like the kind of hustle and bustle and noise of a city too. You can hear it. It's feels very musical to me as well. Speaker 2 (45:08): The opening of Rhapsody and Blue should be playing Speaker 1 (45:10): Someone. I was just about to say Rhapsody and Blue. I mean, it's got that sort of jazzy, Speaker 2 (45:16): There should be car horns and all that sort of Speaker 1 (45:18): Happening. Right. Speaker 2 (45:19): Speaking of cars though, the only cars in it I think are on the barge. There's little cars on the barge on the river, Speaker 1 (45:30): And there's one on the bridge here. Speaker 2 (45:32): Yes, there's a Speaker 1 (45:33): Couple on the bridge Speaker 2 (45:33): Actually. Speaker 1 (45:34): Yeah. Speaker 2 (45:35): But other than that, it's for the 1950s, it's kind of car free. Speaker 1 (45:39): Yeah, that's true. Yeah. I guess it's the date on the painting is actually like 47 or something, but close. Speaker 2 (45:48): It's Speaker 1 (45:48): Still a lot of cars. Speaker 2 (45:52): Yeah, there aren't. Speaker 1 (45:54): That's true. Interesting. Speaker 2 (45:56): I hadn't noticed that until I saw the barge full of cars, and I thought, wait a minute, Speaker 1 (46:01): Where are the Speaker 2 (46:01): Rest? Where are all the other cars? Speaker 1 (46:03): Yeah, that's true. I guess maybe just wasn't interested in Speaker 2 (46:06): Driving. They're not really, because that's again, and that's like a jalopy sort of car too. I mean, it's not a contemporary car by any stretch. Speaker 1 (46:16): Well, and there's something, I think he is a little enchanted by something, maybe a little bit older as well. Like I was saying, so much of the buildings are these sort of 19th century buildings, and a lot of the people's dress and everything else feels a little bit older. So I think there is something, he seems to be attracted to that time and trying to set this scene as it almost does feel a little bit like he's trying to show us a little bit of a time gone by Speaker 2 (46:48): Maybe. Yes. And weave those into the more modern look of the city. But the thing that I think is cool is that how many things we can pick out Speaker 1 (46:57): That Speaker 2 (46:58): Seem familiar and how many we still have that a lot of these are buildings that we still have people still use that are still a part of the city Speaker 1 (47:10): And Speaker 2 (47:11): That are really easily recognizable. Speaker 1 (47:13): Yeah. I don't know. I can't remember if we talked about this on Micro Off, but we were talking about, because we started talking before, we should have, yes, Speaker 2 (47:21): We were very smart earlier, Speaker 1 (47:23): But when we first looked at it too, it's like this building that looks a lot musical, but then it has a big smokestack. Speaker 2 (47:32): It has a big smokestack and then it Speaker 1 (47:34): A tunnel going through it, so it's like, is it musical? I don't think it is. But at the same time, it has that sort of influence of those types of buildings. But that color especially that Speaker 2 (47:47): Color is, yeah, it's that sort of distinctive Speaker 1 (47:49): Red brick music Speaker 2 (47:50): Call and it's got the rose window Speaker 1 (47:52): Sort Speaker 2 (47:53): Of. Yeah. I'm picking out all the windows. Speaker 1 (47:55): Yeah, you're very good at this. About the window. Find very good at windows. Speaker 2 (47:59): I had no idea. It's like a skill I didn't know I had, but yeah, that you can sort of pick these places out. Speaker 1 (48:09): And we were talking also, there's these nice little areas. Most of it's very sketchy, but then the person you called the Mad Hatter, they have this rose in their hat that's sort of well rendered. You have, it's this area that is a lot more detailed, and it actually doesn't have any outlines. It's just almost like a traditional painting of a rose or these little metals that keep popping up Speaker 2 (48:34): That are super detailed. Speaker 1 (48:36): He loves painting these metals almost Speaker 2 (48:39): Pointed stars, Speaker 1 (48:41): So I don't know what that's all about, but I was learning that he painted this, or he did basically little sketches, then had slides produced and then projected those slides onto the big canvases to trace them back. And then once the panels were joined up, he painted the connecting lines. The connecting Speaker 2 (49:05): Lines, Speaker 1 (49:07): So you can see some of them, they have areas that, Speaker 2 (49:10): Right. Well, and yeah, the other thing too, there are the parts of it that are the dancers, Speaker 1 (49:17): The Speaker 2 (49:17): People sort of enjoying the restaurant. Look at the detail in the guy's shoes though. He's got these crazy Wingtip Oxford things with Speaker 1 (49:29): With all the little Speaker 2 (49:31): Leather Speaker 1 (49:31): Cuts. Yeah. Yeah. That's so great. And I just love the line, the way the bodies sort of disappear and appear. It really does capture the movement Speaker 2 (49:42): Of dance, right? They're dancing and, yes, exactly. Speaker 1 (49:44): Yeah. Speaker 2 (49:45): You go with it with Speaker 1 (49:46): Them. You can feel them swooping around, and it feels almost like you're looking at maybe, even though I think they're supposed to be multiple couples, it starts to feel like different views of the same people. Kind of has a Speaker 2 (50:01): Yeah. You're watching them sort of move through. Speaker 1 (50:03): Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 (50:05): So Speaker 1 (50:05): Good at capturing that. Speaker 2 (50:07): Yeah, it's a lot of fun, and I like that it's both sort of historic and historical and also very modern and whimsical. Speaker 1 (50:17): Well, and it's a great piece to do something like this with as well, because you can really spend a long time looking at it. I know mean each one of these panels is, Speaker 2 (50:26): I don't want to Speaker 1 (50:26): Enormous, so you have, I'm bad, but that's over six foot wide Speaker 2 (50:32): Probably, Speaker 1 (50:33): And then it's at probably eight feet tall. Each panel, I'm guessing. I'm not sure if that's a little taller than eight foot probably. Speaker 2 (50:42): And there's, there's eight of them, Speaker 1 (50:47): So it's huge. But each one of those panels in and of themselves would be a large painting Speaker 2 (50:53): To look at. Speaker 1 (50:54): So it's just put it together and you have so much to really take in. So this is definitely the longest I have sat with it, and I'm seeing so much, and it's a piece that every time I walk by, I see new things. Speaker 2 (51:05): Yeah. There's a new thing to see. Speaker 1 (51:07): Yeah. So it's really fun. I'm glad I get to walk by it all the time now. Speaker 2 (51:11): Yeah. Well, and it's a great introduction, I think too, to the galleries themselves, because it sets you on that sort of path of what am I looking at? What is this? What was the artist trying to say? What do I like about it? I wonder too, though, with the tunnels, because they're buildings that we think are buildings, but they have tunnels in them. But I'm wondering if that's saying something about transportation or progress or if it's working in that movement theme. I don't know. Otherwise, they're just weird tunnels. Speaker 1 (51:40): Yeah. It also makes, it's almost like he's hung up on our subway. That never happened. Maybe too. Speaker 2 (51:46): Exactly. You know what guys? It's like, I'm going to build something too that no one's using. Speaker 1 (51:51): Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 2 (51:52): There a very, that kind of plays out throughout. Speaker 1 (51:58): Well, I think we're going to get drowned out here soon by some construction. Speaker 2 (52:01): By the construction, Speaker 1 (52:02): So maybe that's our cue. Speaker 2 (52:04): That's our cue to end this, because the construction is louder Speaker 1 (52:07): Than us. It's like at the Oscars, when they start playing you off, this is our Oscar playoff Speaker 2 (52:12): Music Speaker 1 (52:13): Right now. We're being Speaker 2 (52:13): Jack hammered off. Speaker 1 (52:16): They should do that instead, where there's just, Speaker 2 (52:18): People would move. Speaker 1 (52:22): For some reason, the actress I went to was like, sissy Spacek is up there accepting a award. I was like, of course. Because she's got an award since win, right? Yeah. That's Coal min's daughter, Speaker 2 (52:36): Sissy Spacek. Speaker 1 (52:37): Because that's just how contemporary and of the time my references are. Look, I know what kids they love. Sissy SpaceX. Speaker 2 (52:44): Who doesn't love Coal Miner's daughter? Speaker 1 (52:46): Well, I mean, if you're going to talk to me about Sissy Spacek, it's all about Carrie. But Speaker 2 (52:52): Again, with the timely references for people. Speaker 1 (52:56): Anyway, well, we'll take off. So thank you. Speaker 2 (53:01): Thank you. Speaker 1 (53:02): Thank you. Wait, wait. Let me say that again without a jackhammer or drill rather or anything. Speaker 2 (53:09): Whatever it is. Speaker 1 (53:09): Yeah. Well, thank you. So Speaker 2 (53:14): Thank you, Speaker 1 (53:17): Thank you, thank you. I don't think we're going to get, Speaker 2 (53:24): I don't think it's going to happen. Speaker 1 (53:24): Okay. So thank you for being my guest today, Tricia. Speaker 2 (53:27): Thank you for having me, Russell. This was great. I don't want to leave though. I want to stay and look at this painting all day. Well, you have to. It's Monday. You got to get out. Speaker 1 (53:35): I know. If it was a Tuesday, I'd say knock yourself out. You can stay here all day, but today they will actually kick Speaker 2 (53:40): You out. I'll be escorted out. No, this is great. Everyone should spend some time at this. Speaker 1 (53:45): Yeah, I hope they do. Thank you for listening to Art Palace. In case you are wondering, the fullest of presidents from Ohio are William Henry Harrison, Ulysses S, grant, Rutherford, b Hayes, James, a Garfield, Benjamin Harrison, William McKinley, William Howard Taft, and Warren g Harding. I, of course had to look that up. 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