Speaker 1 (00:00:00): Coming up Speaker 2 (00:00:01): On Art Palace, Speaker 1 (00:00:02): We learned about the degenerate art and how interesting that was because out of all of the art here, I would say probably that these are the most interesting pieces. Welcome to Art Palace, produced by Cincinnati Art Museum. This is your host, Russell eig. Here at the Art Palace, we meet cool people and then talk to them about art. Today's cool people are Brad, Justin, and the Adeen from the Cinema Guys podcast. The cinema guys are hosting a screening of the film, the Monuments Men on August 28th at the Esquire Theater. So I sat down to chat with them and also take a look at our special Exhibition of Paintings, politics, and the Monuments Men. Speaker 2 (00:00:57): Hey, I am Brad, Speaker 3 (00:00:58): I'm Justin, Speaker 4 (00:01:00): And I'm the Cinema Maiden. Speaker 1 (00:01:01): So how did you guys get started? How did this all happen for Speaker 2 (00:01:04): You? Good question. Well, it started, Justin and I, we used to go to the movies every Thursday night. Speaker 1 (00:01:11): We would Speaker 2 (00:01:12): Go see whatever new movie was coming out for that week. It Speaker 3 (00:01:15): Really didn't matter what it was. Speaker 2 (00:01:16): Yeah, we would just go fast and Speaker 3 (00:01:18): Furious. Seven we're in, Speaker 2 (00:01:20): We would sit in the parking lot for good, at least what, half hour or more just chatting about the movie and what we thought. It came to that point and we're like, I always thought podcasting was cool, even though I never listened to 'em until Started at, started Speaker 1 (00:01:34): One. Look at this now. Not cool. Really? That's Speaker 2 (00:01:36): So funny. I thought they were cool, but I wasn't going to listen to It was Speaker 3 (00:01:40): Also, I feel like podcasts and since we started has even tripled in popularity. There Speaker 2 (00:01:47): Were big ones like Moth Speaker 3 (00:01:49): And everything, and which were Speaker 2 (00:01:50): Around Speaker 3 (00:01:50): Then, and there was other ones, but it wasn't like every celebrity had a podcast that was really good. Speaker 2 (00:01:56): You had to really search for the, they're like a dime a dozen now. We started in 2016. I told Justin we should make it a Speaker 1 (00:02:04): Podcast. Five years, dude. Speaker 3 (00:02:05): Five years. Five Speaker 1 (00:02:06): Years, Speaker 4 (00:02:07): And we're still in the same spot. Speaker 2 (00:02:08): We started out, Speaker 3 (00:02:11): I'm sorry. I have movie threads since then. This podcast has escalated my career. Speaker 1 (00:02:17): Touche. It actually has. Speaker 3 (00:02:18): I've been in a movie. Yes. Speaker 2 (00:02:20): We started out just one little mic. We started at Red Tree Coffee Shop. Our first episode was Star Trek Beyond terrible episode. Oh my Speaker 3 (00:02:29): Gosh. That is, and it was really bad. We actually, we had things written down and we had to read the paragraph, which is horrible for me and I never did. I was Speaker 2 (00:02:37): Like, I dunno. Speaker 3 (00:02:40): And we used to do fake ads too for Redtree, the coffee shop that I owned and things like that. Speaker 2 (00:02:46): After first you owned it, it doesn't Speaker 1 (00:02:48): Sound fake then it sounds like a real Speaker 2 (00:02:49): Ad. Speaker 3 (00:02:50): There was no one listening to it. Speaker 2 (00:02:52): It was the first episode. Speaker 1 (00:02:54): Only the Speaker 3 (00:02:54): People that would listen come on in for free coffee and Speaker 2 (00:02:58): Nobody would. Yeah. After that we brought in our friend Michael, so we could have three was Three the first. Yeah, he was the first and he was on for what a good 10, 15 episodes maybe. Speaker 3 (00:03:09): Yeah. Because when it was just the two of us, there was something off about it. It was, I mean, Speaker 2 (00:03:13): It was good. It was fine. Michael was very good with the facts behind. Speaker 3 (00:03:18): But then when we added the third, that's when I felt like, oh, there's a dynamic of three that's way better than just two people. And he was different enough to be like, he knew. I knew a little bit, but he knew Speaker 2 (00:03:31): Every director, whoever directed Speaker 3 (00:03:33): Everything and real obscure trivia. I was like, oh, that's kind of fun. Speaker 2 (00:03:38): He had to step away and couldn't do it anymore. And we asked. Speaker 3 (00:03:41): We had a series of randos. Speaker 2 (00:03:43): Yeah, we would roll through and we had the ate and she came in for a guest appearance one time. Just come on, resident Evil was her first episode Speaker 4 (00:03:54): The worst? Speaker 3 (00:03:55): Yeah. But something clicked that day where I was like, this was actually good. This was actually something I would probably listen to because it was just a fun dynamic Speaker 4 (00:04:07): Glue. Justin and I are more alike and Brad's very different than, and I think it's usually what we like is that we pick on Brad. Speaker 3 (00:04:12): Well then that happen, that slowly developed because a person I know listens a lot was like, oh, I noticed when you guys, it was Brad's the straight man who has all the info on what's going on. And we gang up and pick on him and just make things up. And he has all the, well, actually not really. Yes, Speaker 2 (00:04:32): Yes. Who directed this Speaker 3 (00:04:34): Again? Okay, great. Who did that again? Oh, okay. Cool. I don't have to. Speaker 4 (00:04:39): And I did petition when I joined to have it changed to the Cinema Gang because, Speaker 3 (00:04:43): Or cinema. Cinema. Speaker 2 (00:04:46): I was curious about that, how you felt about being lots, debate all these Speaker 4 (00:04:51): I've ed for a long time to have it changed. I'm not a guy. Yeah, Speaker 3 (00:04:54): Right. Speaker 2 (00:04:55): No, I thought the same thing, but I always argued the point. I'm like, you're just one of the guys. Speaker 4 (00:04:58): We have an and we already have an audience that knows this is a cinema guys. What if we change? No one Speaker 3 (00:05:03): Know. So that was our 15 listeners love, Speaker 4 (00:05:05): No idea how to find Speaker 3 (00:05:06): Us. That was the digital consensus. Even with some of the listeners like, well, it's already the guys. I guess you should keep that. Speaker 4 (00:05:12): Yeah. Speaker 3 (00:05:13): Let Speaker 2 (00:05:13): Me guess that the listeners are mostly guys. Speaker 4 (00:05:15): Yes. Shocking, right? Speaker 2 (00:05:16): Yeah. What I Speaker 4 (00:05:19): Like having an ally here. What a surprise. This Speaker 2 (00:05:21): Is nice. What a surprise that they think that way, huh? Yeah. Speaker 4 (00:05:24): This is nice having an ally on the outside Speaker 2 (00:05:26): Looking at No, Speaker 3 (00:05:27): I'm Speaker 2 (00:05:27): Firmly on your side about the name change. They should Speaker 3 (00:05:29): Change you. Hey, I'm Enneagram nine. I would've gone with whatever everyone else likes. Speaker 4 (00:05:34): I'm Enneagram eight. I will definitely fight till the end. Speaker 3 (00:05:36): Yeah, I'll take the eighth side Speaker 2 (00:05:37): And side. I'm all about the fame and glory. Speaker 3 (00:05:40): Yeah. Speaker 4 (00:05:40): We know Brad. Speaker 3 (00:05:43): But guys, all my friends on Twitter know what's the Cinnamon guys? Speaker 2 (00:05:46): That's right. On his Twitter friends when she came in, like Justin said, there was something there that worked that clicked. So we asked her to come back, come back, and I think it just happened. Speaker 4 (00:06:00): It Speaker 2 (00:06:00): Started every week. We realized, ah, the Cinnamon's coming back. She's just part of the show now. Speaker 3 (00:06:05): Yeah. And then Speaker 4 (00:06:05): We had a couple other guests, Speaker 3 (00:06:07): CIN Toast Cinon, toast Crunch. Toast Crunch. After that, if you came on, you had to have some sort of cinema pun to your name. I think that's the only one though. That's the only one. That's the only one. There wasn't any other. Right. We had a bunch. That was one. We had a Speaker 4 (00:06:22): Bunch. There was one Speaker 3 (00:06:23): That was Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Speaker 4 (00:06:24): That was funny though. I like that one. Speaker 1 (00:06:26): I totally get though having, as being the only host, one of the things I can't take, I really bad at listening to podcasts where there's only one voice. Speaker 4 (00:06:35): Same. Speaker 1 (00:06:36): I can't do it. I've tried multiple times and I start and I'm like, Nope, turn it off. I have to have at least two voices. So there is something I think and recording often with just one other person, there is some dead air that comes up. And so I think when you have three people, that other person is, the third person is more likely to probably pop in at that point and help things keep moving. Speaker 4 (00:06:58): Yeah, Speaker 3 (00:06:58): I agree. And then one other evolution we had was we got to start doing a bunch of live events. Speaker 4 (00:07:02): Yeah, that was fun. Speaker 3 (00:07:03): That was a big, wow. This is a little cooler than just the three of us doing something fun that we, like Speaker 4 (00:07:08): I, I said it was fun. I hate it. Speaker 3 (00:07:10): She hates it. But it was the Esquire at the time, they would let us do anything because they really liked us. They were like, Hey, you want to do it? Sure. And so we had some, our first one Speaker 2 (00:07:21): Started with John Carpenter's. The thing was our first showing that was, Speaker 3 (00:07:24): And it was Speaker 2 (00:07:25): Almost sold out. It was almost 200 people. And we were like, Speaker 4 (00:07:29): Whoa Speaker 2 (00:07:29): Is let's do it Speaker 4 (00:07:30): Again. But it was the thing, not us. Yeah. It was because our next Speaker 3 (00:07:33): One I was going to say, I was like, well, yeah, it's a thing. People were more annoyed that I actually heard people online be like, oh, there's a thing going on here. There's people, do we have to, are they going to talk? I think people kept thinking we were mystery science theater. They're going to chat through this whole thing. Oh my gosh. Speaker 4 (00:07:47): But do you remember the person in the theater? I made one comment to Brad and they were like, I thought this was a silent movie. Speaker 3 (00:07:53): They Speaker 1 (00:07:54): Yelled at me for saying something Speaker 3 (00:07:55): To Brad during the, well, the hardcore credits, I was Speaker 4 (00:07:59): Relaxed. Speaker 2 (00:08:00): But our relationship with the Esquire, we've done quite a few. There were a few where we only got three Speaker 3 (00:08:06): People. We thought Major League, right when the Reds I, their opening thing run around my face. But I thought, my thought was like, oh, even if you don't care about sports, which I don't know, but I was like, oh, it's kind of festive. And it's Major league. I love Major League. It's a great, Speaker 1 (00:08:23): I bet a League of the Road. We've gone over Speaker 2 (00:08:24): Better. Yeah. We didn't get too many for that one. But then we were, that's actually Speaker 3 (00:08:28): We should have done, Speaker 2 (00:08:30): We had some fun events with, we got Greg ero from the Room thing to come to Cincinnati for was Grace Speaker 3 (00:08:36): Movie. Oh really? Tell me all about this. I was the production artist for his film. Speaker 1 (00:08:40): Oh, Speaker 3 (00:08:40): Cool. Yeah, we Brad made a contact with him. Speaker 2 (00:08:43): Yeah, we watched at the time his film called Best Friends Volume One came out Speaker 1 (00:08:49): And Speaker 2 (00:08:50): It had Tommy Wiseau and Greg ero and we're like, okay, we're fans of the Broom. Let's check movie out. And after I watch it, I'm like, I'm going to try to see if I can get Tommy Wiseau on our podcast. So Speaker 5 (00:09:01): I Speaker 2 (00:09:01): Found a contact and emailed and I got an email back and said, well, Tommy is not available for interviews, but Greg is. And I was like, sweet, I'll talk to Greg. So talk to Greg. And I was like, I would love to get you to Cincinnati for an event. And I don't even know how it happened. It just eventually we got him into contact with the Esquire, got him to come out here to screen best friends volume one and volume two. It's split into two parts. But he came out both times and Justin did some artwork for Speaker 3 (00:09:32): The Speaker 2 (00:09:32): First screening, made a little faux poster for it for him. Okay. Speaker 3 (00:09:37): And then we hit him off. I had him over our house for dinner. You Speaker 5 (00:09:41): Went out there to actually be in the movie Speaker 3 (00:09:42): Too. And we played a lot of pinging pong. The second time he Speaker 2 (00:09:45): Came out, he hung out Justin's house, Speaker 3 (00:09:46): Played Speaker 2 (00:09:47): Video games and pinging pong Speaker 3 (00:09:48): And it was cool. And then we ended up just kind of becoming friends and he one day was like, Hey, would you want to do a poster for this new movie I'm doing? And he sent me the script of the movie and I read through the script and I was like, oh man, there's a lot of small wanted posters or this little painted of an eagle that's important to the film. Someone's going to need to do that. I was like, Hey, I can actually do all this artwork if you want me to. And he was like, yeah. So then I had my first I M D B credit as a production artist for his film. And so I did a bunch of art and then one day he called on a Sunday and was like, Hey, can I fly you out of here this week? Speaker 3 (00:10:26): I'd be on set for a couple days. And I was like, yeah. And I go, can my wife come too? And he's like, yeah. And I was like, okay, cool. And so on Tuesday of that week, we flew out and hung out on set for three days. And I thought I was going to do, I came prepared to do a lot more art, but everything was already done. He had printed out all my stuff and it was all there. I was like, listen, we're just hanging. So we just jumped in and started doing, we got to monitor the director's monitor and pick out inconsistencies. Oh, Speaker 5 (00:10:55): Cool. Speaker 3 (00:10:55): Little things. It was fun. It was really cool. That movie is, I think I can say now because there's unofficial, it's Miracle Valley. It was supposed to come out last October, but I think it's officially hitting a horror con. Speaker 2 (00:11:07): I don't know what it's release is. Speaker 3 (00:11:08): Salem Horror Festival, and they're playing it there. And this is news for you guys. You don't even know. He texted me this week and wants to do it at the Esquire, a big premier of it also. Speaker 5 (00:11:20): Oh, that's fun. Speaker 3 (00:11:20): So I got to get ahold of them and see if they can Speaker 2 (00:11:23): Do that. I can give you any Speaker 3 (00:11:24): Contact there. You new news for us And for you, I know listeners Speaker 2 (00:11:28): For when Miracle Valley comes out, Justin did the artwork. If you watch it, the cinema and I are on one missing poster. I Speaker 3 (00:11:40): To just throw in all these different ones. He's supposed to go to this abandoned thing where you see all these papers everywhere. You can look real close. Speaker 2 (00:11:47): Although it's a podcast, I don't know what we look like, but we're in it. Speaker 3 (00:11:50): But his theory was for this movie, I know the room obviously was horrible and he wrote the book about it and Best friends, volume one and two, I think people would say it's low grade. Did you see them? Speaker 2 (00:12:05): No. Speaker 3 (00:12:05): It's, Speaker 2 (00:12:07): They're interesting. Speaker 3 (00:12:08): So I got to this thinking, oh, it's going to be a couple dudes with a camera. And it was huge. It was like 30 people sets. He got the Nicet equipment. And so his theory is, Hey, I have a lot of eyes on me right now for like, oh, let's watch. See if Tommy shows up. He's like, what if I made something good? So I think this is, and Speaker 4 (00:12:29): The preview actually looked like it would be decent. It looks like it'll be Speaker 3 (00:12:32): Good trailer, pretty good. I'm really, oh, and me and my wife are extras in a couple scenes, drinking a beer in the background. But I'm interested to see how much it changed. It's gone through a lot of editing from the script I originally read Speaker 2 (00:12:46): The original script was good, so I'm Speaker 3 (00:12:48): Curious what it actually is because yeah, the trailer, I was like, this looks really good. Anyways, Speaker 1 (00:12:54): So I'm going to jump way ahead then. Speaker 2 (00:12:58): How'd you guys get connected with us? How did that happen? Speaker 3 (00:13:02): That's all Brad. Speaker 2 (00:13:03): Jill emailed us and contact us and said she heard Speaker 3 (00:13:06): Podcast. Listen to the show, right? Speaker 2 (00:13:07): Yeah. She listened to the podcast and thought we'd be a good fit of come out here and talk monuments men and come see the exhibit. And I was like, oh, we could do a screening and this and Speaker 3 (00:13:19): What we were mentioned in Cincinnati Magazine, top five podcasts and this local podcast, local podcasts. And I think that upped some listenership, which Speaker 2 (00:13:27): Is yeah, if you search Google search for us, that's one of the top things that comes up. I think. Speaker 3 (00:13:32): I've never Google searched us. That's a fun thing. People've never Google us. Speaker 4 (00:13:35): No, you Google us. Yeah. Why? Just randomly if you ask what we are just Speaker 3 (00:13:39): Interesting. I've never done, Speaker 4 (00:13:41): I told someone I did a podcast. I'm like, well, will you come up on Google? And I was like, yeah. And then I double check myself. Speaker 3 (00:13:46): I'm sure at some point on one of the pages, Speaker 4 (00:13:48): Yeah, maybe on page 10 you'll get to us. Speaker 2 (00:13:52): That's the same way we got in with the Esquire was the manager of the Esquire listen to the show and he emailed and said, Hey, it'd be kind of cool. We could do passes. And I go, what if, can you guys do screenings or anything like that? That's kind of how it happened. We've done some horror movies. I'm a horror movie guy, so I always want to do horror movie screenings. And they're always like Speaker 3 (00:14:14): Horror. Speaker 4 (00:14:15): Horror, not horror. Speaker 2 (00:14:16): Horror. Yes. Speaker 4 (00:14:17): There's are Speaker 3 (00:14:17): Different kinds Speaker 2 (00:14:18): Of movies Speaker 4 (00:14:19): You need to add the extra R at the end. Speaker 2 (00:14:21): So I mean, one big one we had was Candy Corn with the director. Josh Hasty was from Cincinnati and he came back for a screening of his film here and he said it was kind of bittersweet to be able to come back. And he was like, I went to the Esquire when I was younger and able to scream my movie. Speaker 4 (00:14:41): I didn't meet him did. I was out of town. I think I was in Korea. Speaker 1 (00:14:44): What took you to Speaker 2 (00:14:45): Korea? Speaker 4 (00:14:46): I had a quarter life crisis and I decided to quit my career and move to Korea and teach English for a year. Fun. Speaker 3 (00:14:51): Fun. And she sold during pandemic, liquidated everything. Speaker 4 (00:14:53): I liquidated everything. I sold most of my stuff, was Speaker 3 (00:14:56): Excited, moved Speaker 4 (00:14:56): Out of my apartment, sold my car, and moved to Korea. Speaker 1 (00:14:58): Oh, that's fascinating. Speaker 3 (00:14:59): Before you didn't know a pandemic was coming. Speaker 4 (00:15:00): I didn't know. Obviously no one did. But I moved the September of 2019, and so I was there for three or four months before Korea shut down. Speaker 1 (00:15:09): I Speaker 4 (00:15:09): Did it to travel some while I was over there though. Speaker 3 (00:15:10): Well, it's funny. She kept saying, it's not bad there because it's pretty bad here. We're like, what? There's no parent, what are talking about? Speaker 4 (00:15:17): And then two months later you guys got it all. Speaker 3 (00:15:18): It Speaker 1 (00:15:19): Was very quick. I feel like that's sort of, I remember a lot of people were planning vacations and stuff and we had one person was supposed to go to China, another person was supposed to go to Italy and then successively all these trips kept getting canceled. Speaker 4 (00:15:35): I was in Tokyo when everything started to go haywire in Asia. And so I had to run around Tokyo trying to find masks to wear on the plane back to Korea and hoping that I would be allowed back in my school. And I had to hide the fact that I traveled to Tokyo. Speaker 1 (00:15:49): And this is a place also where typically buying masks is not hard. Speaker 4 (00:15:52): It's not hard at all. They were just all sold out. And so I started to hoard masks because at school I still had to go in at school every day. And then Korea had the government issued masks. So the government would give you two masks a week and you'd go to the pharmacy with your ID and get them. Speaker 1 (00:16:09): Wow. Speaker 3 (00:16:10): Very different world over there. Still be there. If it wasn't for the pandemic. Speaker 4 (00:16:12): Correct, I would still be over there, but it was just really depressing over there by myself in a pandemic. It was a weird time guys. Weird time. Speaker 3 (00:16:21): It was. And also my apartment was the Speaker 4 (00:16:23): Size of this table. Speaker 1 (00:16:24): Oh yeah. Speaker 4 (00:16:25): So it was a weird time. But I love Korea. I'm going back in October for a couple of weeks to visit some friends and just go back. Speaker 3 (00:16:30): And then you have opened us up to a whole world of Korean Speaker 4 (00:16:35): Korea. So I really, it's been really, really cool. Actually. Really liked read films before I moved to Korea. And I chose Korea because it's very safe for women to be alone in, and then also they pay really well compared to other countries that you can go to with the exchange rate. So I could make a lot of money and feel safe as a female. You can make more money in the Middle East, but it's very dangerous for women to live there. So I started to learn Korean and watch Korean movies and then I started to make them watch Korean movies. They were very resistant to it, but I told them to watch this one movie. Speaker 3 (00:17:05): Okay, boom. Speaker 4 (00:17:06): It was the Tear Jerker movies and they were both like, oh, okay, Ashley, it's Korean. We have to read it so it's not Speaker 3 (00:17:13): Going to be good. I'm fine with reading Long. Did you watch that one first or did we do that was the first one. That Speaker 4 (00:17:17): Was the first one. That was the Speaker 3 (00:17:18): First one, Speaker 4 (00:17:19): Yeah. And I told them to watch Speaker 3 (00:17:20): It. Image you're going Speaker 4 (00:17:21): Away. So Korean movies have a very similar thing. What was the movie It's called I Speaker 3 (00:17:25): Can Speak. I can Speaker 4 (00:17:25): Speak. Speaker 1 (00:17:26): Okay. Speaker 4 (00:17:27): I can speak. It's awesome. I've never seen. It's worth Speaker 3 (00:17:29): Watching. Speaker 4 (00:17:29): It's really good. There's a normal thing in Korean movies. You go halfway through the movie and you think it's about one thing and then something happens Speaker 3 (00:17:35): And Speaker 4 (00:17:35): About else. And Speaker 3 (00:17:37): The first half is always almost silly. They like dual Speaker 1 (00:17:41): Genre movies. They Speaker 4 (00:17:43): Switch Speaker 3 (00:17:43): Halfway through. Because I was watching this, I was like, I guess this is fine. It's kind of silly. Speaker 4 (00:17:47): Then the thing happens and Speaker 3 (00:17:48): Then something you're like, whoa, this is super serious. And Speaker 4 (00:17:51): Then you're just like deep cry, Speaker 3 (00:17:53): Deep, Speaker 4 (00:17:54): Deep cry. But it's very good. Please watch it. I can see Speaker 3 (00:17:57): Another good one that we watched was Burning Good Speaker 4 (00:18:02): What? Speaker 3 (00:18:03): Glenn From The Walking Dead. Speaker 4 (00:18:04): Steven Yen. Speaker 3 (00:18:04): Yes, Speaker 4 (00:18:05): He's, Speaker 3 (00:18:06): He stars in this one burning that I thought was really, it was kind of a horror mystery. Speaker 4 (00:18:10): Yeah. But it's very, and Speaker 1 (00:18:11): That was the same thing. It was a little Speaker 4 (00:18:16): Drama Speaker 1 (00:18:17): And then in the last Half Dark, you're like, Speaker 3 (00:18:19): Oh my gosh, it got dark Speaker 4 (00:18:20): Quick. Speaker 1 (00:18:21): So Speaker 4 (00:18:21): We got very into Korean film because while I was over there I started to see some Korean films coming out and then getting more immersed in that. And then watching movies still in the theater when they couldn't. I could still go to the theater in Korea and watch Korean films with English subtitles and certain theaters and certain movies. But I would try to tell them like, okay, I saw this movie in the theater. And they're like, well, we can't go to Speaker 3 (00:18:43): The theater. You saw what was the one I saw? Speaker 4 (00:18:47): Star Wars and four D. That was pretty sweet. Speaker 3 (00:18:50): Whats the four D part Speaker 4 (00:18:51): That The Wind, Speaker 3 (00:18:53): We actually Speaker 4 (00:18:54): Kick up in the theater and then it'll shoot water at you. And what Speaker 3 (00:18:57): Kind of water are they shooting at you from Star Wars when you need a trash impactor something. Speaker 4 (00:18:59): Well, they were in that water planet, remember when? Speaker 3 (00:19:03): Oh, so you're watching Rise of Skywalker. Oh, gotcha. Speaker 4 (00:19:06): Yeah, Speaker 1 (00:19:08): I watched that in four D in Brazil. Oh, Speaker 4 (00:19:10): Interesting. Speaker 1 (00:19:10): So weirdly, we both watched four D Rise of Skywalker in different countries. Speaker 4 (00:19:15): So Speaker 1 (00:19:15): Yeah, I think Speaker 4 (00:19:16): I thought they could have done more with it. So the theater that I went to, Speaker 1 (00:19:19): I'm assuming I had the same presentation. I don't know, Speaker 4 (00:19:21): I'm assuming I felt like of Speaker 1 (00:19:24): It, there Speaker 4 (00:19:24): Were more opportunities for four D experiences in it. They didn't move as much as I was hoping, and I thought that they could have done more flashes and there were other experiences in it outside Speaker 3 (00:19:34): Of wind and water. What else are they doing? Well, Speaker 4 (00:19:36): The smells. So when that weird snake thing smells, the snake comes out. Speaker 3 (00:19:40): I Speaker 1 (00:19:40): Don't think, I did not get any smells. Speaker 4 (00:19:41): Oh, so we got smells. So I don't Speaker 1 (00:19:43): Think we had smells or water. How Speaker 3 (00:19:44): Did they go in smell? They Speaker 4 (00:19:46): Go in how they spur the Speaker 3 (00:19:47): Gas of smell at you. Oh Speaker 4 (00:19:48): My gosh. Speaker 1 (00:19:49): They have smells like theme parks. Speaker 4 (00:19:51): Yes. What? Yes. And when that one snake thing opened its mouth, you could smell of breath Speaker 3 (00:19:56): Disgust. Was it gross? Speaker 4 (00:19:57): Yeah. Speaker 3 (00:19:58): I wonder what they used like rotten eggs or something? Speaker 4 (00:19:59): Probably. Anyway, I just felt like there was a more opportunity, four D experiences. I'd gone to Disney and all those places and theirs are so good. And I was like, they're a Disney movie. They can do this. This theater has the capability. And then I also saw it in a 180. So the screens that are 180 halfway around you, they're super cool. I loved doing the movie experience. They also have one theater that it feels like you're outside. So you sit on a beanbag chair and has fake grass and they inject smells into it. That is outdoor summer smells. And they have a sky that's the stars over top of you. Like Harry Potter. Speaker 1 (00:20:36): I love this. I adore Fake outside. Speaker 4 (00:20:38): Yeah, it's super fun. Ka has so Speaker 3 (00:20:41): Many fun things, Speaker 4 (00:20:42): Experience like that. Speaker 3 (00:20:45): And then you saw what was the, with Jamie Lee Curtis and Daniel Craig, the mystery Suspense one, like the Who done it? Murder film. Oh, Speaker 1 (00:20:52): Knives Out. Speaker 3 (00:20:53): Knives Out. You saw Knives Out. And Daniel Craig has this bombastic Foghorn Leghorn voice, but she's like, people in Korea, they didn't think that was funny. They just thought that's how America, it's Speaker 4 (00:21:03): Really interesting. It's really interesting to see how Speaker 3 (00:21:06): You're like, I'm laughing, but no one else is laughing. Speaker 4 (00:21:08): The jokes hit different over there. But then the Korean jokes, I can speak Korean, I'd say like a three, four or five-year-old. So I can understand a lot of things, but not cultural subtleties. Our humor is a lot. And so when I'd be watching a movie in Korean, I'd be reading and something would happen on the screen. I'd be like, oh, just like the Toad. And they'll all laugh. And I'm like, why is the toad funny? And then I'll ask my Korean friends. I'm like, oh, well the Toad here means this stuff. And I was like, oh, jokes. That's very interesting. Speaker 1 (00:21:38): Comedy is really hard to translate. Speaker 4 (00:21:40): Yes. Speaker 1 (00:21:41): My husband is Brazilian, Speaker 4 (00:21:43): And Speaker 1 (00:21:43): So that's a big thing is I can't almost ever be like, oh, let's watch a comedy Speaker 4 (00:21:49): Because Speaker 1 (00:21:50): He's just not interested because I don't Speaker 4 (00:21:52): Think they're Speaker 1 (00:21:52): Funny. He doesn't find American comedies funny because the cultural stuff, even though he's been here for so many years, it's like, I think there's a lot of comedy hinges on the fact that you will understand something has two meanings immediately. You will simultaneously get that. This means two things all at once. Speaker 4 (00:22:11): And Speaker 1 (00:22:11): If that takes more than a second, Speaker 4 (00:22:14): Second, second, it's Speaker 1 (00:22:15): Understand it's not funny Speaker 4 (00:22:16): More. Speaker 1 (00:22:17): So even if you can kind of figure it out, it takes that processing time that it takes to do in a second language, Speaker 4 (00:22:23): I Speaker 1 (00:22:23): Think is like, Speaker 4 (00:22:24): But then I will say I feel super smart when I figure it out, even if it takes me totally 30 minutes to figure it out. I'm like, no, I get it now. I get it now. This is fine. I didn't laugh, but I get it and I feel smarter for it. Speaker 1 (00:22:36): Exactly. Yeah. When you do understand the Speaker 4 (00:22:40): Duality of it, it's Speaker 1 (00:22:42): Super fun. It's fun. Speaker 3 (00:22:43): Well then also, and I'm watching them thinking like, oh my gosh, I can't believe people live like that. Which I don't think anyone Koreas, they're like, oh yeah, some people live Speaker 4 (00:22:51): In, I Speaker 3 (00:22:52): Can speak Speaker 4 (00:22:54): In parasite, Speaker 3 (00:22:55): Parasite when Speaker 4 (00:22:55): They live in the basement apartments. That's a very real thing in Korea. And they were like, oh, no one lives like this. And they're like, oh, they do in Seoul Speaker 1 (00:23:03): For Speaker 4 (00:23:03): Sure. Speaker 3 (00:23:06): I was thinking of when you were saying that, and I can speak, there's a joke I guess, about people peeing on buildings. I was like, what's the deal? I thought, that's horrible. Why are people, but I guess I was reading something like, oh, that's was a funny joke. Because people pee Speaker 4 (00:23:22): Buildings randomly Speaker 3 (00:23:24): Be, Speaker 1 (00:23:24): I mean, I live downtown. That's just as applicable in Cincinnati. You don't have to go to Korea to find people pee in Speaker 4 (00:23:33): Building. It's funny. It's funny, when we watch the Korean movies that I will just naturally pick up, even without reading it, I'll know the cultural whatever is happening. And I'm like, oh guys, this is so, you guys probably didn't pick up on this, but this is what they're doing. Speaker 1 (00:23:45): You're Speaker 4 (00:23:45): Like, oh, that's what that all means. And then it helps them understand the movie better. But I'm by no means a cultural expert of chore. I just know my experiences over there. Speaker 1 (00:23:54): Yeah, yeah. No, just even any sort of time spent. I think in another culture you do start to absorb those things and kind go like, oh yeah. Yeah. So anyway, that's Speaker 3 (00:24:03): Probably the longest you've ever talked on any of our podcasts, Speaker 1 (00:24:06): Any podcast in Speaker 3 (00:24:07): General. Usually we have Ashley for the first 20 minutes and then she starts to, I Speaker 4 (00:24:11): Get sleepy halfway through the movie Mood, the movie review, and they can always tell, because I get really quiet and I start to doze off a little bit. Speaker 3 (00:24:18): What do you think? She's like, yeah, that was good. Really? I didn't sound good, Speaker 1 (00:24:22): But sure. Speaker 4 (00:24:23): Well, it's, it's also mostly horror movies that I haven't picked. It's a lot of movies that I don't really have any kind of investment in. Speaker 3 (00:24:29): I don't like when all of us think the movie's just, okay, we don't have anything to say. We're like, Speaker 1 (00:24:33): That is the worst. When you're just like, yeah, it's fine. You would rather hate it. Speaker 4 (00:24:37): Then you say, sometimes I want to pick movies that I know that we'll hate, so we can just pick it apart and actually have something to talk about. Speaker 3 (00:24:42): It's usually, we are pretty similar to what we like and he's always Speaker 1 (00:24:46): Opposite our newest episode. Speaker 3 (00:24:49): Old You hated it. Hated it. I didn't hate Speaker 1 (00:24:51): It. Both of them were like, Hey, it was pretty good, but you dug deeper into it. And where there's parts of it, I'm like, I didn't see this part of the film. Speaker 3 (00:25:00): The problem with Old is that it's advertised as a horror film. It just shit Speaker 4 (00:25:04): Anything. Just like a couple of other Speaker 3 (00:25:05): Movies. It's not anywhere close. Speaker 4 (00:25:07): Sometimes we'll get movies from studios and they'll be like, well, this is categorized as this and this. So we'll view it through that lens. Then promising young Speaker 3 (00:25:12): Woman. Speaker 4 (00:25:13): So we viewed a movie Promising a Woman, and we were told it was a horror. Speaker 3 (00:25:16): No, a comedy horror Speaker 1 (00:25:17): Comedy horror comedy, Speaker 4 (00:25:19): A horror comedy. And we reviewed it. It negatively we're like, this isn't a horror and this isn't funny. I Speaker 3 (00:25:22): Was like, this is serious. Speaker 4 (00:25:24): Why are you talking about this? And so we got a lot of hate for it, and we were like, you guys don't understand. We were given this movie before it was released. We were given it with these titles and to review it in this lens and that's why we did this. But people were saying that we were apologists and we're terrible people. And we were like, do we take the episode down? No, I don't think we should take, we didn't do anything wrong. We were just told to view it through a certain lens and then they changed the lens of what the movie was when they released it. Speaker 1 (00:25:54): What is the sort of genre they're putting it under Speaker 4 (00:25:56): Drama. Speaker 1 (00:25:57): It's Speaker 4 (00:25:58): More sense makes Speaker 1 (00:25:59): Like a thriller drama now, which Speaker 4 (00:26:01): Makes more sense than a horror comedy. Speaker 3 (00:26:02): Although after the movie had its initial culture shock, most of the critics and a lot of just general people who watched the film kind of agreed with us more that, Speaker 4 (00:26:14): And Speaker 3 (00:26:14): It didn't win anything. It was nominated for everything. It didn't win because I think it's a Speaker 4 (00:26:19): Good start to that kind of genre of movie. Speaker 3 (00:26:20): But Speaker 4 (00:26:21): I feel like there were some points that they could have driven home Speaker 3 (00:26:23): A D way, the story they were trying to tell, I just don't think they did a good job Speaker 1 (00:26:25): Of Speaker 3 (00:26:25): Telling it. I think Speaker 4 (00:26:25): They could have done that anyway. So sometimes we get movies from studios that are like that, where we were review 'em in a different lens than what the actual rest of the audience will view them as. Because based on what the studio tells us, Speaker 1 (00:26:34): I love thinking about people's tastes. I think taste is such an interesting idea. And it sounds like you guys have pretty different tastes. So I'm kind of wondering if you had to categorize your tastes on a spectrum of extremes, what are two polar opposites of things that you love that are sort of what are the polar extremes of your tastes? Speaker 3 (00:27:01): And mine has changed a lot. If you asked me this question even five years ago, I would've had a completely different answer than I have now. But right now, my only really categorization for whether I like a film or not is if it makes me, I want to think about it the next day. If I think about it the next day, regardless of what it is, then I'll like it. I want to be, because I just like new things I'm just tired of. Because while I would've said a long time ago, like, Speaker 1 (00:27:25): Oh, sci-fi and Speaker 3 (00:27:26): Superhero films look great, but now I'm like, yeah, we've had a lot of those and that's great, but I want to think. And so I guess my polar opposites would be, but then at the same time, I love F nine. You don't Speaker 1 (00:27:40): Think Speaker 3 (00:27:40): About that, but it was really fun. So experimentation, I guess is what I would say. I like things that experiment with things, Speaker 1 (00:27:46): But name it. I'm saying what are the actual Pick two movies. Pick two movies. Oh, two Speaker 3 (00:27:51): Movies. Speaker 1 (00:27:52): Yeah. Actually pick two movies. That would be your point. Speaker 4 (00:27:54): I would say probably for me, it would be either Stepbrothers or Team America is my low end. And then Speaker 3 (00:28:01): I thought you loved stepbrothers. Speaker 4 (00:28:02): I do. Speaker 1 (00:28:03): No, these are things all polar opposites that you Speaker 3 (00:28:05): Love. That love I love. Gotcha. Not love and hate, but love and love. Exactly. Speaker 4 (00:28:10): I love and love. But that's like cheap, bad humor is Stepbrothers and Team America especially. And then I love The Pianist and I love, I Can Speak as a very deep, deep movie. So I love those movies that make me feel something because I'm like Brad, I do like to feel things. And then I really cheap humor, Speaker 1 (00:28:32): Cheap Speaker 4 (00:28:32): Cultural humor that draws from things that are happening in society. So Bo Burnham's Inside Cheap Humor, but I love it. Speaker 3 (00:28:39): I did not like, Speaker 4 (00:28:40): Oh my God, I loved it. I sing his songs constantly. Speaker 3 (00:28:41): All right, I have mine. Then mine would be Point Break movies like that. I love the old action films, and I love Keres and I love Patrick Swayze, but I love Point Break. I love that movie. And it's nothing stupid, whatever, but I love to cry. Speaker 4 (00:28:57): So Speaker 3 (00:28:57): Hotel Rwanda would be one of my biggest sobs I've ever had where I just openly wept out loud and made a noise. So those would be my two. I love to meet. Speaker 4 (00:29:06): And I think that's why you and I probably like the same kind of movies. We have the same kind of weird spectrum of we like to cry and we like to feel things, but we also love. Speaker 3 (00:29:14): Yeah, I just love senseless breaking point. Breaking, yeah. Point break. I'm going to throw a dog at you. Speaker 4 (00:29:18): I love it. Speaker 1 (00:29:21): And I'm way opposite of them. My go-to is Cooch. I love movies and it's so bad. It's good Type B horror movies and stuff like that. So Resident Evil, Speaker 4 (00:29:37): I'd rather mow my lawn than watch that movie Speaker 1 (00:29:40): Colorado Space. Oh gosh, Speaker 2 (00:29:42): God, that's the worst. Those are my genre for Speaker 3 (00:29:46): Your choices, Brad. Speaker 2 (00:29:47): My one for year. Yeah. My one for this year is Psycho Goreman. It's my favorite movie of the year thus far. But then that polar opposite end would be Kingdom of Heaven. The Director's Cut I think is the perfect movie. I think beginning to end, it's my all time favorite movie or gladiator. Braveheart. I like Historical Epics on the opposite end. Speaker 3 (00:30:09): You've gotten, Brad's influenced me in two ways. A, you've got me way into director's Cuts. Before Brad, I would've never watched a director's cut like, Nope, I want to see what they decided to put into the theater. But then I realized what I wanted was the exact opposite. No, I want to see what the director wanted. I don't care what they put in the theater, Speaker 1 (00:30:26): Because Speaker 3 (00:30:27): I think I've seen so many director's cuts since I've met you. And every time I'm like, yep, I love this. And then also horror films. I would've been, no, I would've been anti horror films before you got me to see a couple that I hate. Green Inferno was, Speaker 2 (00:30:41): Yeah, that one wasn't good. Anyway, Speaker 3 (00:30:42): But I have actually fallen in love with a lot of the Speaker 2 (00:30:45): Fun ones. The fun ones, the Death Speaker 3 (00:30:47): Days. Freaky. Freaky was so good. I Speaker 1 (00:30:50): Need to watch it. That looks like a movie. That was Speaker 3 (00:30:53): For me. It's so fun. I'm like, okay, this isn't trying to, it's not Saul where it's trying to gore you out. It's just like, oh, this is a fun way to think of it. And that one with the Games, that was been my favorite one where they played the games A hide and Seek or whatever. Speaker 2 (00:31:06): Oh, ready or not Ready or Not Speaker 1 (00:31:08): Ready or not. Jim Speaker 2 (00:31:09): James. I Speaker 3 (00:31:09): Love it. I think Speaker 1 (00:31:10): Red or Not is Speaker 3 (00:31:11): Fantastic. Speaker 1 (00:31:12): Very good and very surprising, and I was absolutely delighted by it. Speaker 3 (00:31:18): I think once I watched that this year, last year, I decided, I think I do horror films if this is what they're like. Speaker 2 (00:31:26): They like to cry. I just like to be entertained. If it entertains me, are you not entertained? We did it. I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming. That was good. Justin, I like the entertainment of the movie. Sometimes if it gets too serious or too, I'm going to say it heartfelt. I'm just like, yeah, we know you don't like to feel, you don't like women. Got it. Speaker 1 (00:31:47): You don't like to feel, huh? Yeah. I think my extremes would be like, I'm actually sort of in a similar camp for you on one end, which I would put a really cheesy, bad horror movie. There's this movie I love called Pieces from about, I think 81, and it's like a Coan American production. So all the audio is dubbed. Speaker 2 (00:32:10): So it Speaker 1 (00:32:11): Has that going on. And it's kind of a weird slasher. It feels like in some way they're trying to make kind of an American slasher movie, but then it also has sort of that European Jello d Argento sort of style to it as well. And then on the other extreme end would be something really artsy, like Ana Scotty or something where there's absolutely no story. It's just, Speaker 2 (00:32:36): See, we artsy films too. Speaker 1 (00:32:37): Yeah. So it's like, that's kind of my extremes. Those two movies could not be more different. You've good mix of us. But then I think in the middle of that, I also really love your artsy horror movies too, from that too. So I love Hereditary and that's Oh, hereditary was good. Yeah. So those are, Speaker 3 (00:32:53): I liked Midar better. Speaker 1 (00:32:55): Midar was good. So it's weird. I've gone up and down where initially I thought I liked Midsummer more, and then now I just think about Hereditary more interesting. It's like what you're saying, where that thing that kind of comes back to you. I don't know. I like 'em both a lot, but I do tend to just, Speaker 3 (00:33:12): So I saw Midsummer First, so I wonder if that influenced it. I was like, oh, Brad's like, Hey, this guy did this. I was like, I'm going to go watch it. And I loved, I thought it was, and I love Florence. Speaker 1 (00:33:23): Oh, she's amazing. I Speaker 3 (00:33:25): Love her. I love her. I only liked Black Widow of her because of Speaker 1 (00:33:28): Her. Speaker 3 (00:33:29): I think she's just really good. And I thought in that movie I was like, this woman is amazing as an actress. So I mean, I liked Hereditary, but just something I think I wanted more of what I saw in Midsummer. Speaker 1 (00:33:43): Midsummer is a more focused movie for sure. And so I think it is definitely tighter feeling in a lot of ways. But yeah, I don't know. I have a weird experience where I think this is how it went, which is I saw Hereditary first, but I saw it on a plane. I watched it on a plane, and then I watched Midsummer, and then I went back and watched Hereditary, and that's when I realized I watched it on a plane. They cut out a lot. They cut out stuff from this movement, not watch a lot of, I didn't realize that I didn't watch new movies on planes because they do that a lot. Speaker 3 (00:34:16): Is it because they don't want other people to see the screen? They don't Speaker 1 (00:34:17): Want people to see the screen. Yeah. Speaker 3 (00:34:19): I wonder how many things have been cut that I've Speaker 1 (00:34:21): Watched from the plane. So anything that's particularly gory. And so there's one shot in particular in Hereditary that I think everybody remembers, and it was not in that movie because when I saw it the second time, I wish it was like I would've remembered that. Wow. That's funny. So yeah, I have now decided, okay, I can't watch horror movies on planes anymore for that reason because Or Speaker 3 (00:34:47): Porn. Speaker 1 (00:34:48): Yeah. Well, Justin kidding. Speaker 3 (00:34:50): It was a joke Speaker 1 (00:34:50): Generally not offered either. It was a joke. You can't say that. Okay. Well Zoo Mama. So I want to go check out the Monuments men. Since we are having this screening. We are going to go check out the Monuments Men exhibition, and we'll just kind of do a quick overview and get your feedback. Okay. Cool Beans. Awesome. Hi, this is Russell again. Just popping in to mention that Justin had to leave before we were able to record in the gallery, which is why you won't hear him. We are in now the special exhibition paintings, politics, and the Monuments Men, the Berlin Masterpieces in America, which is a real mouthful of a title. That is a lot. I have never absolutely gotten that title correct. I think that's why I wanted to stand here to read it, because when we talk about it, I just say monuments, men, the monuments. I've never say the full title because I will never remember it, but that's just the nature of museum titles. Speaker 2 (00:35:59): They Speaker 1 (00:35:59): Tend to be so long. So I was going to ask you what you all already know about it, but you did reveal to me that you have, this is not your first time here, right? Speaker 4 (00:36:08): Correct. Speaker 2 (00:36:09): Yeah, we came to the media opening before it opened to the public. Speaker 1 (00:36:14): Cool, cool. So you got a little sneak peek about it. Speaker 4 (00:36:17): Yeah. Speaker 1 (00:36:19): It's kind of an interesting show for us because it is about, oh, I forgot to mention also we are in the museum while we are open, so you're going to probably hear voices of other visitors and things like that, so apologize for that as Speaker 2 (00:36:32): To the ambiance. Speaker 1 (00:36:34): Yeah, exactly. It's like what it's like Speaker 4 (00:36:36): Being here. It's like a smr. Speaker 1 (00:36:37): Exactly. And then we're going to tap on a Coke can later for you too. Hello my friends. We're going to do this whole thing, this in a really breathy way, just whispering. We're just going to be talking about this. The exhibition is kind of broken up into different sections. We're kind of right now looking at a part that is sort of about, it's called Art and Injustice under Nazi Rule, and it's kind of one of my favorite parts because it talks a little bit about the degenerate art exhibition that happened. Did you guys know about that? Speaker 4 (00:37:11): No. So actually, this is one thing that Justin and I really loved about this exhibition is that we learned about the what? Deplorable. Speaker 1 (00:37:19): Degenerate Speaker 4 (00:37:19): Degenerate. The degenerate art. Speaker 1 (00:37:21): Yes. Speaker 4 (00:37:22): And how interesting that was because out of all of the art here, I would say probably that these are the most interesting pieces that I liked the most. So I thought that was interesting that it was the degenerate art. Speaker 2 (00:37:33): The only thing I remember is this one, the Speaker 1 (00:37:37): Katie Kitz. Speaker 2 (00:37:37): Yes. The face in the corner immediately when I turned the corner, seeing that the frightened child face in the Speaker 1 (00:37:44): Corner Speaker 2 (00:37:45): Where you could tell they spent the most detail on this piece. Speaker 1 (00:37:48): Yeah, yeah. I mean, she's known for these sort of really upsetting images, really desperate feeling images a lot of times of children and mothers. She was making stuff in the First World War II and lived through that too. So she's kind of familiar with making these images of war and sort of showing war ravaged people. But yeah, I mean, I agree. It's one of the things that is important to note is the Nazis loved art. The idea that Nazis hated art. Speaker 4 (00:38:24): Do they just love really pristine, beautiful art Speaker 1 (00:38:27): And Speaker 4 (00:38:27): Less gritty kind of? Speaker 1 (00:38:29): Yeah. So what we have is on one side are sort of examples of maybe some the things they valued or things they were trading. Speaker 4 (00:38:38): They're Aryan looking child. Speaker 1 (00:38:40): Although actually I think the reason this painting we're looking at this Madonna and child fro Filippo, I believe this one is actually in here because it's sort of a painting that was actually traded from Germany because they were valuing German art Speaker 4 (00:38:56): And Germanic Speaker 1 (00:38:57): Art, and so things that were Italian and French were less valued, less Speaker 4 (00:39:00): Valuable Speaker 1 (00:39:01): To them. So yeah, no, this painting was in a German museum until 1937 when it was traded. Speaker 4 (00:39:10): So that's interesting that they would trade it because it looks very much like it would be something that they would like, I would think. Speaker 1 (00:39:14): I think so too. I agree. Mean if you look at a lot of the artwork that's part of the Berlin 2 0 2, I mean, it feels at home in there. Speaker 4 (00:39:23): Also, when I was looking at the large grouping of the Berlin 2 0 2, that's on the wall. There are so many that I recognize that are very like the Venus one. Yeah, let's come over here. The one that's at the very top with Mary and baby Jesus up there. Speaker 1 (00:39:40): So the Venus one, you're seeing, it's the same figure from the Botticelli birth of Venus. So you're probably used to seeing that figure more in a big clam shell. What we're looking at is this wall of reproductions of all of the paintings that were in the Berlin 2 0 2. So the monuments men were a section of the US army who were formed to protect artworks and monuments in Germany during World War ii. They recovered a large number of artworks and salt mine. These were not necessarily things that were looted by the Nazis, but just things from German museums, things that were legit property of Germany. And then their job was to protect them and keep them in good condition. But the decision was made to send 202 of these artworks to America for an exhibition in DC and then later as a tour around the country. So those works are the Berlin 2 0 2. Speaker 4 (00:40:39): Yeah, I know that. And maybe this is a bad thing. My grandma had a reproduction of that one, and she had I think this one as well in her house. Speaker 1 (00:40:49): Oh, really? Speaker 4 (00:40:49): Very Catholic woman. Speaker 1 (00:40:50): Which one? When you pointed up top, which one Speaker 4 (00:40:52): Was it? The fifth one over? It's kind of like the curved top. Oh, Speaker 1 (00:40:56): Okay. Yeah, it's sort of Madonna Speaker 4 (00:40:59): That my and Speaker 1 (00:41:00): Child. Speaker 4 (00:41:00): Yeah, my grandma had that on her wall and she had this one too. I remember I used to look at the little Speaker 1 (00:41:04): Boxes Speaker 4 (00:41:05): All the time. Speaker 1 (00:41:05): Yeah, there's a lot of religious art in here. I mean, that's actually probably the most common subject you'll see is sort of Christian art. There is a lot of mother with child or Madonna or Mary or whatever they title it even throughout the pieces here and in the 202. Speaker 4 (00:41:22): And then we have the good old derby section down here, Speaker 1 (00:41:25): The good old derby section. What's the derpy section? The Speaker 4 (00:41:27): Derby section begins here. Speaker 1 (00:41:29): Oh, these sort of Dutch paintings. Yeah. Speaker 4 (00:41:32): Yeah. I call it the derby section. I'm not an artist though, so please excuse my friend. Speaker 1 (00:41:36): They're kind of like, those are the Speaker 2 (00:41:38): Ones that partied and had a few drinks Speaker 1 (00:41:40): Before hand. There is something interesting that is something that comes up in the exhibition is that they did, most of the paintings were German or Dutch. There was sort of adoption of, well, yeah, and Dutch things. I guess it was seen as a part of the same culture in a way that maybe French and Italian works were not, but there were French and Italian works as well, so they were not completely banished. It just wasn't maybe valued quite as much as, so there definitely are plenty of Italian things in here, like the Botticelli, and we have some examples of that around the corner before we go into it. We can look at this stuff too, because this is interesting. So we have also this little section about Walter ING's farmer who was one of the monuments men and is also local. Speaker 1 (00:42:35): So I think this is kind of an interesting section because what we're seeing here are works that Walter donated to the museum through his lifetime. He became a big art collector and then later donated a lot of work to the museum. So these are some important pieces from our collection. And we're also, I think, trying to show the variety of work he collected refine very abstract. Yeah. Yeah. There's incredibly modern paintings and then very classic academic paintings and drawings as well. So there's a real mix here of his interests, which I think is really interesting. He was Speaker 4 (00:43:16): Actually, I didn't realize that he was from Cincinnati, to be honest. And then second of all, couldn't. It took me a minute to figure out that he actually, he was one of the monuments men, correct? Yeah. Speaker 1 (00:43:25): Yeah, he was. Speaker 4 (00:43:26): Now, is he in the film, the monument men? He Speaker 1 (00:43:28): Is not Speaker 4 (00:43:29): Cincinnati shafted once again. Speaker 1 (00:43:31): Yeah. Well, actually all of the characters in the movie are sort of fake fictional versions of real people. Speaker 4 (00:43:38): That makes sense. Speaker 1 (00:43:38): So none of them are actually the real people. So they all have, some of their names are kind of close, but he is not, I don't think anyone is really a good parallel for him in the Speaker 4 (00:43:50): Movie. There Speaker 1 (00:43:51): Were also two different waves of monuments men too. So there was sort of that initial wave who goes in and recovers these works, which is more what the movie is showing. And Walter was a part of a later group who goes in. Speaker 4 (00:44:08): That's probably where the disconnect was in my brain of the timelines of it. Speaker 1 (00:44:12): So there's kind of these two different waves where it's sort of after the works are recovered in, they're more sort of figuring out what to do with them and Speaker 4 (00:44:22): How he was more of an advocate of keeping them stationary in Germany, correct? He Speaker 1 (00:44:26): Was, yes. He was. So eventually these paintings toward the US and they came over and he did not want that to happen. So he was more of the belief that they should stay in Germany and that Speaker 2 (00:44:40): Stay where they should be basically? Speaker 1 (00:44:43): Yeah, exactly. And not be touring around the us. I think in a lot of instances, these are paintings that were stolen from Jewish collectors and institutions and other by the Nazis, and then I think there's this perception of then the US just doing the same thing essentially by taking them and making a roadshow Speaker 4 (00:45:05): Out of it. Yeah, it's a little hypocritical, but Speaker 1 (00:45:07): Yeah, a little Speaker 2 (00:45:09): Bit. Speaker 1 (00:45:09): Yeah. So I think that was also, generally they Speaker 4 (00:45:12): Just wanted to take 'em on a tour around the US too and be like, show off what they got. Speaker 1 (00:45:15): Yeah, they did take them back. They did not. But I think also people who are interested in the preservation of these works, anytime you're moving these things around, popping 'em on trains, it's probably you're putting the work at more risk. Speaker 4 (00:45:29): You're putting them in danger of getting ruined or damaged Speaker 1 (00:45:31): And shipping them internationally, Speaker 4 (00:45:33): Especially during period, during that time period, time period. I feel like now it'd probably be less aggressive. It's a lot safer Speaker 1 (00:45:36): To do that now. Yeah. Speaker 4 (00:45:37): Then on a train, no air conditioning or temperature control. Speaker 1 (00:45:41): Yeah. So I'm sure as a person who is concerned with conserving artworks, I'm sure that was first and foremost on his mind. But yeah, I think it's an interesting thing and an interesting connection from Cincinnati to the story that probably a lot of people don't know about. Speaker 4 (00:45:56): Yeah, I mean, we didn't realize, I don't think. Speaker 1 (00:45:58): No, Speaker 2 (00:45:58): I didn't know at all until we came to the exhibit. Speaker 1 (00:46:00): Yeah. Well, so the way the exhibit is organized, we were looking at that part about degenerate art and then the Walter Farmer part, and then we have some pieces from the Berlin 2 0 2 plus some other pieces from the museum collection that sort of relate to this works, or are artists that were also in that group of paintings and the ones that were actually in the 2 0 2 I, the way they've done this are sort of pulled out on the wall, so you can kind of quickly tell there's something special about them without making the distinction kind of too obnoxious. Speaker 4 (00:46:38): I'm obsessed with this one, really. It's so peaceful. Speaker 1 (00:46:40): So let's get the title so we know what we're talking about. So this is called Panorama of Holland by Philip Kink. Yeah. Sorry, again, bad pronunciation. Yeah. So yeah, it is very, it's like the serene landscape. Speaker 4 (00:46:56): Yeah. I'm very much a, I like art that's very serene and very calming, and I love landscapes in real life. I love to hike and then look out over, and so this takes me to that, and I think it's just beautiful. I've been thinking about it since I came and saw it. Speaker 1 (00:47:10): It's very large too. I think it's probably the largest painting in this room, so it's definitely kind of grabs your attention. Yeah, Speaker 2 (00:47:17): It sticks out. You like the happy little trees is what you're saying. Yeah. Speaker 4 (00:47:20): Yeah. Good old Bob Ross. I think you fall asleep to him all the time, and I love the little details, the little dude in the window here and then the animals, and then as you get back, they're still there, but they're just a little fuzzier because like you can see there's a windmill there and there's a little house right there that's coming from a non-artist. I like that. Speaker 1 (00:47:41): Go ahead. Speaker 2 (00:47:42): Coming from an artist, one of my favorite things to paintings is try to get as close as you can. Obviously you can't get super close, but seeing the work that they put into it to get these details of the highlights on the cows and stuff like that, how detailed and monotonous this must have been, especially for the size that it's, Speaker 1 (00:48:02): Yeah. And probably working with very teeny tiny brushes for those little details you're saying with single hairs and things to kind of put those little highlights and stuff on there. I like the way this painting almost, if you do look at this just sort of top part of the portion, it becomes very abstract, just these sort of stripes of these kind of different streams and fields and they just kind of turn into Speaker 4 (00:48:26): Stripes, different topography of the land and how tall it's and stuff. Speaker 1 (00:48:30): Yeah, and it is interesting how when you talk about the sereneness, it's almost zen to Speaker 4 (00:48:37): Me, Speaker 1 (00:48:37): The way it just becomes this field of vibrating lines or something. It's very interesting in that Speaker 4 (00:48:44): Way and the way that it's aged. I looked at this and I was like, is that a cell phone tower? It's not. Speaker 1 (00:48:50): It's just probably some little cracks and stuff forming in the paint over the years. Speaker 4 (00:48:54): And that's also my 21st century brain expecting to see a cell phone towers in the landscape. Speaker 1 (00:48:59): Definitely not in circa 1655. You couldn't even build anything that tall yet. Speaker 4 (00:49:08): No, Speaker 2 (00:49:09): And what always gets me with old paintings is they use a lot of oils and I've painted with oils and it amazes me how detailed they can get with oils, because oil is not forgiving. It takes so long to dry, and so Speaker 1 (00:49:24): Yeah, it's a different, Speaker 2 (00:49:25): It get smudged easily. Speaker 1 (00:49:26): Yeah, it's a different process definitely, where you have to give it that drying time before you go back in and work on top of it, or give it at least enough drying time to sort of cure on the top layer, which Speaker 2 (00:49:41): With an oil is a long time dry. It Speaker 1 (00:49:43): Is a long time, definitely. Yeah. Certainly we're blessed to have acrylics now that you can just sort of throw the hair dryer on it and be ready in a few seconds. If you want to kind of layer on top of that without blending in, was there any other paintings that stood out to you in this sort of section of the 2 0 2? Speaker 2 (00:50:03): As far as part of 2 0 2 or just in general? Speaker 1 (00:50:06): Yeah, just in this general section. Speaker 4 (00:50:08): I relate the woman's hair on the ideal portrait of a lady. Speaker 1 (00:50:12): Yeah, Speaker 4 (00:50:13): Ideal hair. Speaker 2 (00:50:14): Ideal hair, Speaker 1 (00:50:15): Yeah. It's the Botticelli painting. This is definitely one of the highlights, I think, of the exhibition that's like, Ooh, this is exciting to have here. Yeah. I mean, it's Speaker 2 (00:50:24): Very detailed. Speaker 1 (00:50:25): Yeah. Well, our hair, you're, Speaker 4 (00:50:28): It's so detailed. You can see every strand. She has really thick, coarse hair, which is like hair goals. Speaker 1 (00:50:36): Yeah. There's a lot of sort of intricate braiding and it's kind of like crossing through itself and interesting ways and this big wave that's sort of swooping through and kind of caught up in the Speaker 4 (00:50:47): Brain. And her eyeshadow looks great. I mean, she has it all. I know in 1475 it probably wasn't eyeshadow, but Speaker 1 (00:50:55): Again, I am not an expert in this, but makeup's been around since ancient Egypt. Yeah, Speaker 4 (00:51:00): Maybe it was eyes shadow, so Speaker 1 (00:51:01): There's probably, there might be some sort of, I don't know. I barely know about makeup today, so I should not probably be talking about Renaissance makeup, but Speaker 2 (00:51:09): It looks very color penciled. Speaker 1 (00:51:13): Yeah. Well, it's interesting. This is a tempera painting, so it's tempra on panel and there is something about tempa. Well, tempa is made, it's a pigment. It's mixing pigment with egg yolk instead of, so it's an older process than oils. Speaker 2 (00:51:30): It'll dry much faster for sure. Speaker 1 (00:51:33): It does tend to, a lot of times with temper paintings there is, you can almost feel the little brushstrokes that make it up. I don't know. I've never worked with Tempa, so I couldn't really talk about what didn't that it's like, but it does tend to have that look that you're describing that feels a little colored Speaker 2 (00:51:48): Pencil color pencil. Yeah, Speaker 1 (00:51:49): I don't know. Speaker 4 (00:51:49): Well, they got that hair then, Speaker 1 (00:51:51): But it is a different look and it is maybe a little more, it feels a little more precise a Speaker 4 (00:51:57): Lot of times. And it's actually gold. It's not yellow. It's actually gold. Yeah, Speaker 1 (00:52:01): There is sort of gold. I think you're right. I was looking and it doesn't say there's any gold leafing in it or anything. That's a really good question. I'm really intrigued by that. It does feel like that, and I can't quite tell if it's just just sort of masterful use of light to replicate that feeling, or if it actually is. I'm not sure. That is a good question. Speaker 4 (00:52:25): What's your favorite? Speaker 1 (00:52:27): My favorite is probably that one. So if I'm being honest, I would say that that Botticelli painting probably is mine. It's hard for me to say because a lot of these paintings are paintings that I see every day, so that's probably also built in is the ones that are pulled off the walls are the exciting new loans and things. So those definitely speak to me Speaker 2 (00:52:49): More. The one that I love is the one over here with the ship and the people on the beach because the detail in it, I remember it the first time when we came to see the exhibit originally, just the details put into the faces of those people, as small as it is, just amazed me. Speaker 1 (00:53:08): Yeah. This is another one. This is one from the museum collection. So this is a French painting, so we were talking about how most of the works were sort of German or Dutch, but this is a French painting to sort of set the stage of there were French paintings like this in French landscapes like this. This painting is called an artist Studying From Nature by Claude Lorraine. And yeah, there is a lot of detail, especially when I'm in this foreground here where you have the titular artist studying. I've never really paid that much attention to the ground around him. All this leaves, Speaker 2 (00:53:45): Just the details put into it is just amazing. Speaker 4 (00:53:48): I really love that. On top of the castle, they have a green roof. Speaker 1 (00:53:53): Yeah, well they need Speaker 2 (00:53:54): A green space. Speaker 1 (00:53:55): It also, yeah, definitely. It's this feeling of, this is an older building, so even here, this is 1639, but this is probably an older castle. It's already kind of overgrown and you kind of see this, there's cracks in the surfaces, so we're starting to idealize ruins. It's kind of a part of that whole thing going on too. So yeah, here at the end of the exhibit we have sort of more reproductions of the Berlin 202, so they're just sort of examples. I don't believe these are to scale. That was my first question when I saw them. And the more I've looked at them, the more I'm like, no. Certain ones I know would be larger, Speaker 2 (00:54:40): I would think. Some of them seem like they might be wall size, especially this one right here seems like it could be Speaker 1 (00:54:47): Painted Speaker 2 (00:54:47): On a wall. Speaker 1 (00:54:48): Yeah, I read the label. That was my first question of are these to scale? And then this one here I would imagine is definitely Speaker 2 (00:54:56): Much larger, pretty Speaker 1 (00:54:57): Much larger. If not, I'm sure those people aren't life size, but I would expect it to be a bit bigger than that. Speaker 4 (00:55:07): This looks like a picture, like a photograph. Speaker 1 (00:55:09): Oh, I Speaker 2 (00:55:09): Know. It's amazing. Speaker 1 (00:55:10): Yeah. This is a Hans Holbein painting called Portrait of Greg or Geor Giza. I was going to say Greg, Speaker 2 (00:55:18): Especially the Speaker 4 (00:55:20): You in names today, Speaker 1 (00:55:21): Greg, Speaker 2 (00:55:22): This is going to be Speaker 1 (00:55:23): Greg to me now. Yeah, the way he paints the fabrics, I think Speaker 2 (00:55:26): Especially, yes, the fabric on his sleeves. It's Speaker 1 (00:55:28): A good trick to have up your sleeve Speaker 2 (00:55:30): To Speaker 1 (00:55:31): Be able to paint really nice silky satin like that. Speaker 2 (00:55:35): The one that stuck out immediately when I came out is the one over here. If anyone who has ever used Adobe Illustrator or Adobe products would know this image. Speaker 1 (00:55:47): Well, this is what you were pointing out before. Speaker 2 (00:55:50): Yeah, this space. Speaker 1 (00:55:53): Yeah. She's the Venus that's also from Bertha Venus. Speaker 4 (00:55:55): Yeah. That's the one I would pointed out in the beginning, Speaker 1 (00:55:57): Brad, Speaker 4 (00:55:57): Way to pay attention. I couldn't see Speaker 2 (00:55:59): Old eyes. I couldn't see up at the top. Speaker 1 (00:56:02): Yeah. So this is probably Botticelli's most famous image, is this Venus probably more famous in her clamshell home in the full painting. Like I said, I'm guessing this is probably a study for that. It could be after Speaker 4 (00:56:19): It does say workshop of Speaker 1 (00:56:22): Sandra. Yeah. Speaker 4 (00:56:23): Formally attributed to, Speaker 1 (00:56:25): Well, this is something that a lot of people don't realize though, is a lot of these artists did not work alone. They had a full workshop of people who were apprentices and people studying under them who helped with the paintings. And so then it becomes this tricky issue of what is attributed to the artist and what is attributed to the workshop. Whose Speaker 4 (00:56:43): Name do we slap on this one? Speaker 1 (00:56:45): Yeah, exactly. In fact, our Botticelli that's in the permanent collection was when we bought it, not a Botticelli. Speaker 4 (00:56:53): Oh. Speaker 1 (00:56:53): After some conservation work, we actually kind of bought it on a tip that like, oh, I think this might be a Botticelli. Speaker 4 (00:56:59): And Speaker 1 (00:56:59): We had some conservation work done on it, and then we declared it Ab Botticelli Speaker 4 (00:57:06): And Speaker 1 (00:57:06): Italy said, no, it is not. Speaker 4 (00:57:08): Oh, no, Speaker 1 (00:57:09): Because Italy was furious that a Botticelli would escape their country. And so there's all these old newspaper articles about this feud between us, and Speaker 4 (00:57:19): That's amazing Speaker 1 (00:57:21): That they were like, it's not real. It's not about, it's not real. Basically refusing it. They didn't want to have lost it. And so it was forever seen as it was originally seen as a student studying from the master because there's another painting of the same scene in the Zi Gallery. And actually, one of the things I love about why we think it is real is that most people say, well, it's worse in terms of composition. And the composition in hours is clunkier than the composition in the Zi, which if you were making a copy of it, you wouldn't mess it up. So Speaker 4 (00:58:05): That Speaker 1 (00:58:06): Makes us think, oh, this was the first draft for the larger one where the later corrections were made Speaker 4 (00:58:14): To Speaker 1 (00:58:15): Help the composition. Speaker 4 (00:58:16): Wow. Speaker 1 (00:58:17): That's Speaker 4 (00:58:17): Some tea, man. Speaker 1 (00:58:18): Yeah, I know. So I mean, that's what's interesting is a lot of the things that we think about art and who painted what is sort of ultimately somebody's opinion, and at this point it is sort of the dominant opinion of Yeah, at this point most people and most expertss have come around and said, Speaker 4 (00:58:37): Yeah, Speaker 1 (00:58:37): It's about Elli, but it's still an opinion. And there's lots of those out there that's like, yeah, this could be them, it could be a student. But that's Speaker 4 (00:58:46): Cool. Speaker 1 (00:58:46): It kind of relates back to this whole exhibition because this is an exhibition essentially about provenance, about where paintings come from and the story of paintings going to a salt mine and coming out and then going on tour. And it's really fascinating because that is a whole story that isn't usually told when you go to a museum. You don't usually see that history. Occasionally it's there occasionally. There's some interesting story about it, but it can be really fascinating. I remember doing research on our Botticelli and there were just holes in the provenance. There's big chunks of time, we just don't know where it was, which just to me is fascinating. It's like a mystery. Where was this painting? Where were you? Wow. So I don't know, it's just an aspect of art that doesn't get thought about a lot, I guess. Speaker 2 (00:59:37): I mean, it's a great exhibit. If anyone hasn't seen it yet, they definitely should come down and check it out, Speaker 1 (00:59:42): Especially Speaker 2 (00:59:42): For the history behind it. And Speaker 1 (00:59:46): They can learn a little bit more about the, at least Hollywood version of Speaker 2 (00:59:51): The story Story in Hollywood Eyes. Speaker 1 (00:59:52): Hollywood Eyes Story, which is definitely Hollywood Eyes at the screening at the Esquire. What day is that again? Speaker 2 (01:00:01): It is August 28th at seven 30. Speaker 1 (01:00:04): And I'll be there, we're going to do a little post, we'll do it afterwards, right? Speaker 2 (01:00:08): A little post q and a after. We'll be there to do a short intro. We'll watch the movie and then you'll come up and a little qss and a's, Speaker 1 (01:00:17): Oh no, Speaker 2 (01:00:18): I'm going to have to do so much more research before then Speaker 1 (01:00:22): So we can actually A, those qss actually. A those Qs. Alright. Well thank you guys so much for being my guest today. Speaker 2 (01:00:32): Oh, thank you for having us. Thanks for having us. Speaker 1 (01:00:40): Thank you for listening to Art Palace. We hope you'll be inspired to come visit the Cincinnati Art Museum and have conversations about the art yourself. Again, that screening of the monuments men will be on August 28th at seven 30 at the Esquire Theater. The museum is currently open, but please visit our website for the most up-to-date information about operating hours and museum policies. Current special exhibitions are paintings, politics, and the Monuments Men, the Berlin Masterpieces in America, American painting, the eighties Revisited and Future Retrieval Close Parallel, which is closing on August 29th. You can follow the museum on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and we also have an Art Palace Facebook group. Our theme song is Efron Musico by Belau. And as always, please rate and review us to help others find the show. I'm Russell Iig, and this has been Art Palace produced by the Cincinnati Art Museum.